Re: [i2rs] Comments on Ephemeral-REQ-07 (local config vs. ephemeral)

"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Wed, 20 July 2016 10:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [i2rs] Comments on Ephemeral-REQ-07 (local config vs. ephemeral)
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I'm fine with this revision.  Anyone else wish to change this version? 

Sue 

-----Original Message-----
From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:25 AM
To: Joe Clarke; Susan Hares; 'Russ White'; i2rs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [i2rs] Comments on Ephemeral-REQ-07 (local config vs.
ephemeral)

That wording may well lead readers to think that Ephemeral configuration,
considered as a whole, has a priority.  Since that is not true, I would like
to further refine this.  How about:

Req-07: Local configuration MUST have a priority that is comparable with the
I2RS Agent priority for making changes.  This priority will determine
whether local configuration changes or individual ephemeral configuration
changes take precedence.  The I2RS protocol MUST support his mechanism.

Yours,
Joel

On 7/20/16 4:05 AM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> On 7/20/16 03:42, Susan Hares wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Yes - you are correct.  Can you help me state this requirement -07 
>> better?
>
> What about:
>
> Ephemeral-REQ-07: Ephemeral configuration and local configuration MUST 
> each have a priority.  This priority will determine whether ephemeral 
> configuration or local configuration take precedence.  The I2RS 
> protocol MUST support this mechanism.
>
> Is this clear and correct enough?
>
> Joe
>
>>
>> Sue
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Clarke [mailto:jclarke@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:40 AM
>> To: Susan Hares; 'Russ White'; i2rs@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [i2rs] Comments on Ephemeral-REQ-07 (local config vs.
>> ephemeral)
>>
>> On 7/20/16 02:18, Susan Hares wrote:
>>> <WG hat off> <author hat on>
>>>
>>> Here's text that might replace it:
>>>
>>> Ephemeral-REQ-07: Ephemeral configuration state MUST be able to set 
>>> a priority on local configuration and ephemeral state.  Based on 
>>> this priority implementations MUST be able to provide a mechanism to 
>>> choose which takes precedence. The I2RS Protocol MUST be able to 
>>> support this
>> mechanisms.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> I'm a bit confused by the first sentence.  I think what you're 
>> stating is that both ephemeral and local configurations MUST have a
priority.
>> This priority will determine whether ephemeral configuration or local 
>> configuration take precedence.  The I2RS protocol MUST support this 
>> mechanism.
>>
>> Am I correct in my interpretation?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Russ White [mailto:7riw77@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:09 AM
>>> To: 'Joe Clarke'; 'Susan Hares'; i2rs@ietf.org
>>> Subject: RE: [i2rs] Comments on Ephemeral-REQ-07 (local config vs.
>>> ephemeral)
>>>
>>>
>>> (wg chair hat off) --
>>>
>>>> I think the idea of extending I2RS priority to local config 
>>>> operators
>>> (e.g., CLI)
>>>> will still work.  Let's take knob 1.  Knob 1 is kind of like the 
>>>> on/off
>>> switch.  If I
>>>> don't want I2RS to have any effect on operational state, I'd have 
>>>> this
>>> off.  In
>>>> the I2RS priority case, by default my local config could will have 
>>>> the
>>> highest
>>>> priority (let's say that's 255 to make it concrete).  In this case 
>>>> no
>>> ephemeral
>>>> config can win.
>>>
>>> I wanted to extend Joe's remarks a bit... On reflection, I actually 
>>> think having priority + "this wins" bits is rather confusing, and 
>>> opens the door to all sorts of strange behavior. Say I have two 
>>> items thus --
>>>
>>> Local config item -- priority 100
>>> I2RS config item -- priority 200, don't overwrite bit set
>>>
>>> If the higher priority is supposed to win, then which item should 
>>> the operator find in the resulting running config? Should it be the 
>>> I2RS version, because the priority is higher, or the local config, 
>>> because the "don't overwrite" bit is set? There doesn't seem to be 
>>> any clear way to interpret such a situation.
>>>
>>> It's better to have a single "thing" that determines which 
>>> configuration among many wins, rather than two.
>>>
>>> -r
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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