Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Mon, 06 June 2016 18:31 UTC

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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion
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On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 02:16:38PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote:
> Juergen: 
> 
> I2RS Ephemeral Configuration - is configuration which needs validation, but
> does not survive a reboot.

Sue, 'validation' is not enough; there needs to be a clearer
definition what 'validation' means.
 
> I2RS data models which are "ephemeral at top node" and have operational
> state.  In these models, the operational state is like all other operational
> state.

The phrase 'ephemeral at top node' just confuses me.

> I suggest we focus on the I2RS ephemeral Configuration.  On this topic you
> stated below: 
>  
> "Again, for configuration datastores, I can obtain the config and validate
> it pretty much anywhere, on the device or offline at a controller. My
> understanding is that this would not be true for I2RS'
> ephemeral stat datastores; I would need some amount of additional data to do
> something close to YANG's configuration datastore validation." 
> 
> Why is this not true for ephemeral datastore?  I am missing any reason why
> you think this is true.

Configuration datastore validation works because data is
self-consistent without references to any (external) state. Are you
saying that the same is true for I2RS' ephemeral datastores?

/js

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