Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Tue, 29 September 2015 15:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
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Hi, On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 06:22:48AM -0700, Seun Ojedeji wrote: > coordination is fine. I think it may be good for other operational > communities to be aware (carried along) when any of the 3 Identifier > communities initiates its/her operator change process and i think it may be > good to have formal commitment to that. I appreciate the sentiment here, but how is that any different from the existing informal co-ordination we already do? I don't see how it'd even be possible, given the transparent way each community works, for any of the other communities to be oblivious to the coming change unless there really were no inter-community participation. If we get to that point, we'll have many formal communications to set up, not just this one. Not to put too fine a point on it, two of the communities work in very lightly structured ways with mostly informal mechanisms of communication and as few hard process rules as is possible. They produced fairly short proposals in time for the original ICG deadline. Another community appears to structure itself rather formally, with consituencies, formal membership rules, and attempts at strict representativity. That community has, well past the original deadline, produced a proposal for the ICG; yet even that proposal depends on _another_ proposal that still isn't complete and, in draft form, is complicated and controversial. I am therefore not convinced even a little bit that additional formal commitments, rules, processes, or anything of that sort, are advisable. The goal is to make the Internet better, not to achieve a nicely designed process. As the WG (and, in other contexts, the IAB) said, the appoach we're using today (which is mostly informal) is working well. There is no reason to invent new ways of ensuring that communication when the communication now flows without such inventions. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
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