Re: [Ianaplan] control and negotiation (was Re: draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02 working group last call)

[Andrew Sullivan <[e-mail]>]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 07:11:28PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> No.. I'm NOT saying some Internet Boss outside the IETF.  I'm saying that
> processes for addressing technical issues are inadequate for dealing with
> issues that go beyond technical issues (kind of sounds like a tautology).

No, it sounds like an assertion about process -- that there's some
sort of quiddity in political issues that make them impenetrable to
rough consensus and running code.  You've presented not a single piece
of evidence for that assertion; neither has anyone else.  I'm weary of
pointing this out.

I'm not a complete moron, despite appearances.  I know that many
processes would require considering different kinds of interest.  But
we're only supposed to be reporting from the community interested in
protocol parameters.  I'm having a very hard time understanding who
exactly we're missing.

> The IETF process for dealing with contracts is to delegate things to the
> IAOC, rather than deliberate them the way protocol issues are deliberated.

No.  The IETF process for this is to express its views, ensure that
the IAB understands those and ensure that IAB members are sufficiently
attuned to the wider interests, and to ensure that the IAOC has a good
understanding.  

> The IAB and IAOC are part of the IETF, but are not normally part of the
> technical process.

You keep saying that as though these are disjoint groups.  What do you
think Russ, or Eliot, or I do when we go inside the IAB tent?  Forget
everything we know?

> I'll ask the question: why is that a problem, or something to be avoided?
> Most contracts are negotiated.  The MoU, presumably, was negotiated.  The
> NTIA contract that is being replaced was negotiated.

I don't think that there's anything in our current arrangements we
want to lose.  That is what I heard in the IGOVUPDATE and IANAPLAN
BoFs, and I think that's what the charter says.  If you're going to
negotiate, you have to be prepared to give something up.  What is it
that you want to sacrifice for the trademark and domain name?  If
you'll say that, it would help.

Best regards,

A

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