Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined proposal
John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> Sun, 09 August 2015 16:00 UTC
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From: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
To: Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined proposal
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On Aug 9, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com<mailto:bernard.aboba@gmail.com>> wrote: On Aug 9, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com<mailto:lear@cisco.com>> wrote: If this agreement is in place, great. That should be stated. If the agreement is not yet in place, then that should be stated in the transition section (Section V) of the ICG summary. [BA] The ICG proposal includes requirements for agreements. Compared to an actual agreement this is akin to the sound of one hand clapping. Due to legal concerns relating to current NTIA-ICANN contract limitations, agreements cannot be signed at this time. We do not even really know when discussions will be able to resume, what additional concerns might arise when they do, or even whether the requirements can be met once all the obstacles to discussion are removed. I will observe that the numbers community ran into a similar difficulty when we proposed that a Service Level Agreement for IANA Numbering Services be entered in advance of the transition of the stewardship of the IANA functions. As a result of some discussion of the topic with ICANN, we have now made explicit a "Condition Precedent” in the second draft of the SLA, such that entry into the agreement would still result in no effect if ICANN has not been released from its obligations to provide substantially similar services per its NTIA contract by a specific date (more information, including the second draft of the SLA, can be found here: https://www.nro.net/news/call-for-comments-for-the-second-draft-sla-for-the-iana-numbering-services) It is unclear if this approach would work for implementation of the IANAplan proposal, as: 1) we have not received a formal response back from ICANN on this approach, 2) the IETF already has an existing relationship and agreement, and it is unclear whether a similar mechanism could be applied to only to a specific set of rights/duties rather than the entire agreement. I mention it solely because it may provide a potential avenue of exploration which would allow further progress on establishing necessary foundational pieces for transition. /John
- [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined propos… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… Mwendwa Kivuva
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] feedback regarding the combined pr… Brian E Carpenter