Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review

"Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch> Fri, 21 August 2015 16:16 UTC

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From: "Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch>
To: "'Eliot Lear'" <lear@cisco.com>, "'Leslie Daigle \(ThinkingCat\)'" <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
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The problem is that by supporting the entire proposal you are also taking a position on the names and addressing proposals. And it seems to me that that goes beyond the mandate of this group.

Best,
Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ianaplan [mailto:ianaplan-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eliot
> Lear
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 18:04
> To: Richard Hill; 'Leslie Daigle (ThinkingCat)'
> Cc: 'Ianaplan@Ietf. Org'; 'Marc Blanchet'
> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal
> review
> 
> I would not be prepared to support this alternative because it is
> beyond question (by anyone) that we support our own contribution.  What
> we also support, I claim, is the overall proposal advancing as it is
> sufficient to support the needs of the IETF.
> 
> Eliot
> 
> On 8/21/15 5:16 PM, Richard Hill wrote:
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> > Thank you for your clarification. It does not change my position
> regarding the text that you proposed, because that text refers to the
> entire ICG proposal.
> >
> > I would have no objections to a modified text that makes it clear
> that this group is supporting only its part of the ICG proposal. For
> example:
> >
> > “The IETF IANAPLAN working group supports its part of the draft ICG
> proposal going forward, but does not comment on the other parts of the
> draft ICG proposal.  However, the IETF raised two transition points
> that are mentioned in Paragraph 3062 of the proposal.  We would ask
> that they be referenced in Part 0, Section V of the proposal as well.”
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Leslie Daigle (ThinkingCat) [mailto:ldaigle@thinkingcat.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 17:10
> >> To: Richard Hill
> >> Cc: Ianaplan@Ietf. Org; Marc Blanchet
> >> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG
> proposal
> >> review
> >>
> >> Hi Richard,
> >>
> >> I appreciate that there is much more that can be said about the
> >> overall proposal, but please see the note I just sent to the list
> >> clarifying the context for our remarks, and let us (the WG) know
> your
> >> perspective in the light of that context.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Leslie.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Leslie Daigle
> >> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises
> >> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> On 21 Aug 2015, at 11:01, Richard Hill wrote:
> >>
> >>> Please note that I do not agree with this. I have many objections
> to
> >>> the combined ICG proposal, even if not specifically with the
> >> protocols
> >>> part of that proposal.
> >>>
> >>> So I object to this.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and best,
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Ianaplan [mailto:ianaplan-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Leslie
> >>>> Daigle (ThinkingCat)
> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 16:35
> >>>> To: Ianaplan@Ietf. Org
> >>>> Cc: Marc Blanchet
> >>>> Subject: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal
> >>>> review
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> As noted in the minutes from today’s IANAPLAN WG virtual interim
> >>>> meeting, participants agreed on a brief message in support of the
> >>>> collected ICG proposal.
> >>>>
> >>>> While the IAB is preparing a wider response, the proposal is that
> >> the
> >>>> IANAPLAN WG will communicate to the ICG the following message
> >> related
> >>>> to the IANAPLAN’s work output (part of the IETF contribution):
> >>>>
> >>>> “The IETF IANAPLAN working group supports the draft ICG proposal
> >>>> going forward.  The IETF raised two transition points that are
> >>>> mentioned in Paragraph 3062 of the proposal.  We would ask that
> >>>> they be referenced in Part 0, Section V of the proposal as well.”
> >>>>
> >>>> This message is to confirm WG consensus on the proposed action via
> >>>> this e-mail list.  All WG participants are encouraged to review
> the
> >>>> meeting minutes for further elaboration of the discussion around
> >> this
> >>>> text.
> >>>> If
> >>>> you have any disagreement with it, please share your comment to
> >>>> this list by noon EDT (16h00 UTC) Friday August 28, 2015.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Leslie, for Leslie&Marc.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> >>>> Leslie Daigle
> >>>> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises
> >>>> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> >>>>
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