Re: [Ianaplan] [CWG-Stewardship] ICG request concerning IANA trademark and iana.org domain name

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 22 June 2015 05:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] [CWG-Stewardship] ICG request concerning IANA trademark and iana.org domain name
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On 2015/06/21 23:38, John Levine replied to Bernard Aboba:
>>> There is one peculiar aspect of this, which is that currently the IETF has
>> no license to use the IANA trademark, yet it does appear to use it with
>> regularity.
>
> Once again, just mentioning a name is not a trademark use.

Or a use that is explicitly allowed by trademark law. IANAL, but I agree 
with John.

Nobody can prohibit your use of a trademark to refer to the trademarked 
entity, even if you use it to say that they provide lousy service.

(If you go too far, that may be a problem with respect to libel law or 
fair trade law or whatever, but not trademark law.)

Regards,   Martin.

> A use
> identifies goods or services that someone provides.
>
> We do not use the IANA trademark in the legal sense, because the IETF
> does not provide IANA services.  Unless I'm missing something, the
> RIRs don't use it either, for the same reason.
>
> This whole argument appears to be based on misunderstandings of the way
> that trademarks work.  Perhaps we could get some advice from trademark
> experts who understand them better.
>
> R's,
> John
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