Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
"Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz> Mon, 09 February 2015 20:14 UTC
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>A side note: since the beneficiary of the IETF Trust is the IETF, >the IETF's assent is presumably requuired. As I've been reading this thread this morning, I've kind of been wondering about the same thing. I do think we would need a more formal decision that the IETF feels it would be appropriate for the Trust to take responsibility for IANA's trademark and domains. I mean, in general, of course we should be happy to provide functions that are in keeping with our core mission of making the Internet better, and there's some historical precedent here. But a lot has changed since those historical times: clearly this function has become extremely politicized and with that comes a lot of baggage that I worry could weigh us down. The Trust exists to own some specific assets, and I'd be hesitant to alter its scope, or to make the assets it owns share fate with more contentious properties. What do we imagine the responsibility we'd be taking on here, as the Trust and the IETF, might actually look like? And are there alternatives, like forming an independent IANA Trust, that we should consider before we signal that we're open to this path? Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. > > Brian > >> >> ray >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 2/9/2015 9:23 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>> I¹m not comfortable with that wording. The IETF Trust is an >>>>independent body >>>> with its own processes and limits. Thus ³The IETF is willing to have >>>>the IETF >>>> Trust holdŠ² I find troublesome. >>>> >>>> IMHO the Trust cannot speculate as to what its action will be when >>>>there is >>>> an ask from an appropriate party to hold the mark and domain. >>> >>> >>> Ray, >>> >>> Thanks for the clarification. Point taken. >>> >>> The corresponding concern has to do with characterizing the ISTCG/IETF >>> side of things usefully. >>> >>> >>> So again, perhaps a conjunction set: >>> >>> With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain, both >>> are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a >>> particular IANA Numbering Services Operator. >>> >>> ThE IETF considers the IETF Trust to be an acceptable candidate for >>> holding the trademark and domain. >>> >>> The IETF would support a decision by the IETF Trust to hold the >>> IANA mark, and iana.org domain in behalf of the Internet community. >>> >>> d/ >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Crocker >>> Brandenburg InternetWorking >>> bbiw.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ianaplan mailing list >> Ianaplan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan >> > >_______________________________________________ >Ianaplan mailing list >Ianaplan@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan
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