Re: [Ianaplan] [CWG-Stewardship] ICG request concerning IANA trademark and iana.org domain name

["Marc Blanchet" <[e-mail]>]

On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:53, Dave Crocker wrote:

> On 6/20/2015 1:46 PM, John Curran wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Bernard Aboba <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>>> There is one peculiar aspect of this, which is that currently the
>>> IETF has no license to use the IANA trademark, yet it does appear
>>> to use it with regularity.  If the IETF's field of use is covered
>>> by the registration then there is an issue *today*, yet this topic
>
> +1
>
>
>> Bernard -
>>
>> There’s quite a few peculiar aspects to all of this…  (e.g. the 
>> USG
>> having a contract with ICANN to provide IANA protocol parameter
>> registry services when the IETF has an MOU with ICANN for the same
>> services;  the use of IANA mark in a very large context by IETF for
>> years  before ICANN ever existed and yet the trademark now held by
>> ICANN, etc.)
>
> +1
>
>
> ...
>> The exercise we now face is that the overall USG imprimatur (e.g. the
>> IANA Functions contract) may be removed in the near future, and hence
>> we need to make sure that we have arrangements that make sense going
>> forward _in the absence of the USG saying ‘just make it all work’ 
>> via
>> the IANA functions contract_
>
> +10
>
> Names matter, especially when they have long-established use.  A
> trademark is a formalized aspect of naming.
>
> The assumption that we can and should ignore matters of using the IANA
> name and mark, when it is held by an organization that is a service
> provider, rather than the originator or actual owner of the service,

so you are in some ways saying that the 3 organisations should 
« co-own » the trademark and provide a license to ICANN/PTI for its 
use?  Looks like more towards the IETF trust owning the trademark, as it 
was discussed before.

Marc.


> seems an especially lax exercise in our responsibilities.


>
> There is a real issue here.  It's easy to pretend we don't.  That 
> would
> be a mistake.
>
> d/
>
>
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> Dave Crocker
> Brandenburg InternetWorking
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