Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review

Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> Mon, 24 August 2015 17:18 UTC

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From: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:18:32 +0200
To: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, "Leslie Daigle (ThinkingCat)" <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>, "Ianaplan@Ietf. Org" <ianaplan@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
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That's not my point. My point is that this group has not considered the other parts of the proposal, nor should it. 

So this group should not make a comment that can be understood as a comment on the other parts of the proposal.

Best Richard

On August 24, 2015 7:06:22 PM CEST, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
>Richard,
>
>On 8/24/15 7:03 PM, Richard Hill wrote:
>> I object to Eliot's version, because it implies that this group has
>> studied all parts of the ICG proposal and approves all parts.
>>
>
>I don't find this a credible objection.  For one thing, you have not
>shown how the proposal would adversely impact the IETF.  Please ground
>your criticism in specifics as relates to the IETF.
>
>Eliot
>
>
>> Best Richard
>>
>> On August 24, 2015 6:38:18 PM CEST, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Leslie,
>>
>>     On 8/24/15 6:22 PM, Leslie Daigle (ThinkingCat) wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi,
>>>
>>>     Bearing in mind the context below, it seems to us that the text
>>>     currently under discussion for consensus (with thanks to Brian
>>>     and Richard, all) is:
>>>
>>>     “The IETF IANAPLAN working group supports the draft ICG proposal
>>>     going forward, as far as the Protocol Parameters function is
>>>     concerned.  The IETF raised two transition points that are
>>>     mentioned in Paragraph 3062 of the proposal.  We would ask that
>>>     they be referenced in Part 0, Section V of the proposal as
>well.”
>>
>>     I don't think this text is there yet, so please class this as an
>>     objection.  The issue remains that this reads as though we are
>>     approving a single portion of text that we have contributed. 
>>     Realistically I do not know how the ICG would take such a
>>     comment.  It is akin to saying nothing, since support for the
>text
>>     we contributed is well known.  And therefore, we would be better
>>     off saying nothing.  Rather than do that, however, I propose an
>>     alternative, as follows:
>>
>>         The IETF IANAPLAN working group has reviewed the ICG proposal
>>         and found no concerns relating to our activities, and
>>         therefore support its advancement on that basis.  The IETF
>>         raised two transition points that are mentioned in Paragraph
>>         3062 of the proposal.  We would ask that they be referenced
>in
>>         Part 0, Section V of the proposal as well.
>>
>>
>>     This makes clear that we are not making statements beyond how
>this
>>     proposal will impact us.
>>
>>     Eliot
>>
>>    
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