Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> Mon, 09 February 2015 20:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
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Jon, > On Feb 9, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Peterson, Jon <jon.peterson@neustar.biz> wrote: > >> A side note: since the beneficiary of the IETF Trust is the IETF, >> the IETF's assent is presumably requuired. > > As I've been reading this thread this morning, I've kind of been wondering > about the same thing. > > I do think we would need a more formal decision that the IETF feels it > would be appropriate for the Trust to take responsibility for IANA's > trademark and domains. I mean, in general, of course we should be happy to > provide functions that are in keeping with our core mission of making the > Internet better, and there's some historical precedent here. But a lot has > changed since those historical times: clearly this function has become > extremely politicized and with that comes a lot of baggage that I worry > could weigh us down. The Trust exists to own some specific assets, and I'd > be hesitant to alter its scope, or to make the assets it owns share fate > with more contentious properties. > > What do we imagine the responsibility we'd be taking on here, as the Trust > and the IETF, might actually look like? And are there alternatives, like > forming an independent IANA Trust, that we should consider before we > signal that we're open to this path? Just as a point of information. This would not be a new thing for the IETF Trust. On 11 November 2009 at the IETF meeting in Hiroshima the Trustees passed a resolution accepting the transfer of the rfc-editor.org domain from the USC Information Sciences Institute (ISI). The transfer was to accommodate the move of the RFC Editor from ISI. ISI decided not to submit a proposal in response to an RFP for the RFC Production Center 22 May 2009. AMS was awarded the contract for the RFC Production Center by the IAOC on 1 October 2009, and the use of the rfc-editor.org domain. Ray > > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. > >> >> Brian >> >>> >>> ray >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2/9/2015 9:23 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>> I¹m not comfortable with that wording. The IETF Trust is an >>>>> independent body >>>>> with its own processes and limits. Thus ³The IETF is willing to have >>>>> the IETF >>>>> Trust holdŠ² I find troublesome. >>>>> >>>>> IMHO the Trust cannot speculate as to what its action will be when >>>>> there is >>>>> an ask from an appropriate party to hold the mark and domain. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ray, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the clarification. Point taken. >>>> >>>> The corresponding concern has to do with characterizing the ISTCG/IETF >>>> side of things usefully. >>>> >>>> >>>> So again, perhaps a conjunction set: >>>> >>>> With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain, both >>>> are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a >>>> particular IANA Numbering Services Operator. >>>> >>>> ThE IETF considers the IETF Trust to be an acceptable candidate for >>>> holding the trademark and domain. >>>> >>>> The IETF would support a decision by the IETF Trust to hold the >>>> IANA mark, and iana.org domain in behalf of the Internet community. >>>> >>>> d/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Crocker >>>> Brandenburg InternetWorking >>>> bbiw.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ianaplan mailing list >>> Ianaplan@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ianaplan mailing list >> Ianaplan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan >
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