Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
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Following all this between IGF MAG discussions, so apologies for the brevity and any directness. Also, followed this format as I have only had brief moments and needed it to retain my thought process (hope it flows :-) ). Many of the postings on this thread seem to assume unfavorable conditions for the PTI/PTI Board, etc. That is because the Names community has not had time to complete all their work.. I think we can help them advance their work, which frankly is our work as well, and is in the interest of a global public Internet. Here are my working assumptions, please correct them if they are off the mark. They are obviously missing lots of detail. 1 - We support (as good practice) separation between policy, oversight, and implementation for the 3 components of the IANA function (in each of the 3 areas - the so-called 3x3) 2 - Protocol Parameters has this (and btw, this PTI proposal was modeled heavily on the IETF) 3 - Numbers also largely has this. 4 - The Names community is trying to get to this. 5 - There is a preference for the 3 IANA functions to stay together at the IMPLEMENTATION role (only), but it is not seen as necessary from any of the operating communities (OC's). More specific to the CWG proposal: A - The PTI would be a narrow purposed organization built to house only the IANA IMPLEMENTATION functions (preferably for all three operating communities?, and I believe the IETF and RIR's assume the work would be done within the PTI *if* that structure goes forward (that is the IANA staff would be housed within the PTI even while their contracts may remain with ICANN). This should be clarified as soon as their processes allow, as this seems to be one of the points of confusion. B - The PTI would have its own board and would be responsible for the PTI (many models to accomplish this - even with the funding considerations) C - The PTI Board need not have a majority of ICANN Board members - this is the current discussion within Names about ‘inside’ and ‘outside'. The options would allow, I believe, for a full spectrum of: no special role for ICANN to a strong central role for ICANN. I believe the Names community would appreciate input/specific questions from the IETF - and I believe it would be useful to all of us if we could look at the proposal and see what we might be able to live with (or not be able to live with). Either way we advance the discussion if we can share some concrete questions/preferences. If we identify too many hurdles, well at least we can be specific on why it won't work for us, and again that will help the OC's and the ICG to advance the transition proposal. For example, could the IETF identify some preferences re Board composition/by-laws/policies, etc. Frankly, I can see some benefits to working with a purpose built PTI vs. the full-bodied ICANN :-) . If the 3 operating communities could come to agreement on how the proposals fit together, it would help advance the Transition proposal work significantly - for the OC's as well as the ICG. Must run, hope this is helpful. Lynn
- [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- [Ianaplan] PTI Structure/implications (was: Re: C… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Lynn St.Amour
- [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG draft … Lynn St.Amour
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Grace Abuhamad
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- [Ianaplan] Everybody, take a breather (Was: Re: C… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell