Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
"Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz> Mon, 09 February 2015 20:28 UTC
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From: "Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz>
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
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Good point Ray. And to be clear, I'm not unilaterally opposed to the scope of the Trust ever changing - but I do gather that IANA's trademarks and domains are a more politically contentious asset than those of the RFC Editor. Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. On 2/9/15, 12:22 PM, "Ray Pelletier" <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote: >Jon, > > >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Peterson, Jon <jon.peterson@neustar.biz> >>wrote: >> >>> A side note: since the beneficiary of the IETF Trust is the IETF, >>> the IETF's assent is presumably requuired. >> >> As I've been reading this thread this morning, I've kind of been >>wondering >> about the same thing. >> >> I do think we would need a more formal decision that the IETF feels it >> would be appropriate for the Trust to take responsibility for IANA's >> trademark and domains. I mean, in general, of course we should be happy >>to >> provide functions that are in keeping with our core mission of making >>the >> Internet better, and there's some historical precedent here. But a lot >>has >> changed since those historical times: clearly this function has become >> extremely politicized and with that comes a lot of baggage that I worry >> could weigh us down. The Trust exists to own some specific assets, and >>I'd >> be hesitant to alter its scope, or to make the assets it owns share fate >> with more contentious properties. >> >> What do we imagine the responsibility we'd be taking on here, as the >>Trust >> and the IETF, might actually look like? And are there alternatives, like >> forming an independent IANA Trust, that we should consider before we >> signal that we're open to this path? > >Just as a point of information. > >This would not be a new thing for the IETF Trust. > >On 11 November 2009 at the IETF meeting in Hiroshima the Trustees passed >a >resolution accepting the transfer of the rfc-editor.org domain from the >USC Information >Sciences Institute (ISI). > >The transfer was to accommodate the move of the RFC Editor from ISI. ISI >decided >not to submit a proposal in response to an RFP for the RFC Production >Center 22 May >2009. AMS was awarded the contract for the RFC Production Center by the >IAOC on >1 October 2009, and the use of the rfc-editor.org domain. > >Ray > > > >> >> Jon Peterson >> Neustar, Inc. >> >>> >>> Brian >>> >>>> >>>> ray >>>> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2/9/2015 9:23 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>>> I¹m not comfortable with that wording. The IETF Trust is an >>>>>> independent body >>>>>> with its own processes and limits. Thus ³The IETF is willing to >>>>>>have >>>>>> the IETF >>>>>> Trust holdŠ² I find troublesome. >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO the Trust cannot speculate as to what its action will be when >>>>>> there is >>>>>> an ask from an appropriate party to hold the mark and domain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ray, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the clarification. Point taken. >>>>> >>>>> The corresponding concern has to do with characterizing the >>>>>ISTCG/IETF >>>>> side of things usefully. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So again, perhaps a conjunction set: >>>>> >>>>> With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain, both >>>>> are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a >>>>> particular IANA Numbering Services Operator. >>>>> >>>>> ThE IETF considers the IETF Trust to be an acceptable candidate for >>>>> holding the trademark and domain. >>>>> >>>>> The IETF would support a decision by the IETF Trust to hold the >>>>> IANA mark, and iana.org domain in behalf of the Internet community. >>>>> >>>>> d/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dave Crocker >>>>> Brandenburg InternetWorking >>>>> bbiw.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ianaplan mailing list >>>> Ianaplan@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ianaplan mailing list >>> Ianaplan@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan >> >
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