Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Tue, 12 May 2015 16:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
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++1 to John on his entire write-up Thanks sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 12 May 2015 15:08, "John Curran" <jcurran@istaff.org> wrote: > On May 12, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Roger Jørgensen <rogerj@gmail.com> wrote: > > ... > I don't see PTI as a pointless idea, what I see as a pointless idea is > to have it > as a subsidiary of ICANN. If we're going to go down that road, why not go > all > the way and make it a separate entity that stands on it's own - ICANN's > role would be to fund it for now. At some later stage other could fund it. > > ... on the other hand, done right it would separate the different roles > ICANN > have in this world, make it clearer that IANA is just a function that ICANN > host. However, there are other and better ways to do that to. > > > Indeed - the more obvious approach would have been to move "the structure > representing > the DNS community" external to ICANN (and then have that contract with > ICANN for IANA > naming services), but as noted by Milton, such an approach quickly raises > concerns about > risk of capture and stability of the resulting entities. > > It should be noted that there is likely some benefit received from > Post-Transition-IANA (PTI) > approach, in that it helps clarify roles and processes which are presently > commingled in manner > which interferes with assessment of accountability to the names > community. It also provides > some benefit with respect to the identification of IANA costs. > > The present challenge with PTI is that its mission, governance model, and > legal structure > are all still to be determined[1][2][3], and as such, it is unclear if one > can responsibly contract > with it for the delivery of IANA services. Even though existing IANA > staff and knowledge would > transfer to the PTI and presumably function as it does today, the new > entity will have its own > governing Board (which could simply be an ICANN-designated or could be > some other form > with various community representation involved) and mission, and either of > these could have > impact on the delivery of IANA services. For example, PTI’s governing > Board could establish > mechanisms that go beyond IANA policy implementation but appear otherwise > reasonable > (e.g. collection of suggestions for IANA policy improvement or quality > assessment of new > IANA policy as received); without knowing the governance structure or > mission, it is not at > all apparent how we'd all collectively keep PTI focusing “on course” as > the IANA operator > under such circumstances, aside from the obviously destabilizing option of > terminating the > relation and contracting with another party for IANA operations. > > In addition, PTI has a funding dependency on ICANN and a likely dependency > on the use > of other ICANN cost centers for fulfillment of its mission. This doesn’t > create any risk if PTI > is effectively governed by ICANN, but could prove ‘interesting’ if PTI has > independent > governance structure and undertakes a direction and/or decisions which > ICANN does not > support. If ICANN has an obligation to fulfill certain the contractual > responsibilities for IANA > services, then it is unlikely to that any misalignment would result in > PTI’s inability to deliver > on those duties, but it is less clear if that’s the case should the > performance obligations be > held only by PTI. > > The IETF should consider all of the above, and the circumstances of its > relationship with > ICANN via the existing MOU, and determine what is the best manner to serve > the protocol > parameter community. It might also be helpful to provide guidance on some > of the open > aspects of PTI, in order to shape it in a direction which best meets the > community’s needs. > > May you live in interesting times... > /John > > [1] FAQ on External Legal Counsel Memorandum Proposed Post-Transition > Structure - > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/legal-counsel-memo-post-transition-structure-faq-08may15-en.pdf > [2] "Summary of Legal Structure”, Sidley Austin LLP (CWG external > counsel), 3 May 2015 - > http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/2015-May/003062.html > [3] "PTI: Board Duties and Subsidiary Costs”, Sidley Austin LLP (CWG > external counsel), 28 April 2015 - > http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/attachments/20150505/8f61bbdd/PTI-0001.PDF > > Disclaimer: my views alone. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ianaplan mailing list > Ianaplan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan > >
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- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- [Ianaplan] PTI Structure/implications (was: Re: C… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Lynn St.Amour
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- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Grace Abuhamad
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
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