Re: [Ianaplan] What's happening at ICANN?

"Soininen, Jonne (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" <> Sat, 10 October 2015 16:57 UTC

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Hi Brian,

like Bernard and Dave said, part of the story is the press tries to spin
an interesting story. Partly the story is that there are strong emotions
in play at the ICANN in this topic.

So, the topic is ICANN accountability. The claim is that as long as there
was the NTIA contract on IANA there has been a backstop on ICANN's
decisions, especially the board's. The theory is that if ICANN (the staff
and the board, not the community) would do something silly NTIA could at
least threaten to take IANA away and pressure ICANN to reconsider the
decision get to the right path. However, with the IANA stewardship
transition there would be no backstop anymore and potentially a future
board could go rogue and do whatever they want disregarding the community.
Therefore, there needs to be new accountability mechanisms.

The main accountability mechanisms discussed have been spilling the
complete board, removing a board member and control/veto the ICANN budget
and bylaws changes. There is pretty much consensus that in some form or
another these are reasonable requirements. However, the discussion is
about what is the right enforceability mechanism. Enforcement means how
can you legally enforce ICANN/board do something - basically, how can you
sue ICANN if the board/staff doesn't do what the community expects it to

In the IETF, we have a bit different approach to these things. I wouldn't
think we would have ever the discussion the IETF community should be able
to take the IESG or IAB to court. Interesting thought, though... ;)

I hope this helps.


Jonne Soininen
Nokia Networks

Tel: +358 40 527 4634

On 09/10/15 22:12, "Ianaplan on behalf of EXT Brian E Carpenter"
< on behalf of> wrote:

>Could this WG, or the IETF as a whole, please get an update from our
>to the ICANN Board? The press stories are getting rather alarming, e.g.
>   Brian
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