Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Mon, 24 August 2015 23:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
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At 20:03 24/08/2015, Eliot Lear wrote: >>So this group should not make a comment that can be understood as a >>comment on the other parts of the proposal. > >Fundamentally the question is the same: do we believe the proposal >should go forward or not? Richard, the point is not to tell the truth. The truth is that the affinity group believes and has decided that Dilma's friends should control the internet. Money first. You cannot change that. This is not a big issue, however, if you accept that the internet+web are only two overlay network strata above the catenet of the people digital resources - that are politically and operationnally protected in being tied together by ITU members. What we are confronted to is the end of long standing BUG they still try to make survive as a feature. The real problem, and it is not an easy one, is the transition from the IETF to the ITU-I (which to has to get an international charter first, along something like the Supreme Court's position.) The Juges understood the Google & co API trick very well. The problem is that you cannot really trust the USG, the States, the people, even the Juges of the leading nation, etc. to win against ICANN/GAFAM and digital allies easily. Mostly because it is not easy for anyone to be sure he/she understands the interests of his/her would-be friends and could-be ennemies. My rule of thumb is the WSIS one: to be on the users/people legal side. And in order to be sure of that, to really be one of them. A non-profit local digital service provider. I may be wrong and my architectural adaptation can be limited. However there are many others having better ideas than me. This is why, nothing should be considered which has not been "x-libed" first. Openly considered and experimented along an XLIBRE approach. The network must be money neutral, i.e. you should be able to buy/sell any valued added service, encouraging innovaton, but the money MUST have the same value. loyal operations. One GAFAM Dollar MUST equal everyone else's Dollar. This was protected by technology and IAB in the initial NTIA schema. Now they want the technology and IAB to be an ICANN customer. Next, they will want the ITU to be an ICANN customer too. jfc
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