Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 22 August 2015 02:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
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On 22/08/2015 04:25, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> 
> On 8/21/15 6:16 PM, Richard Hill wrote:
>> The problem is that by supporting the entire proposal you are also taking a position on the names and addressing proposals. And it seems to me that that goes beyond the mandate of this group.
> 
> I disagree.  At the end of the day, the proposal goes in as a single
> proposal.  NTIA doesn't get to evaluate a part of a proposal.  What I
> think is important here is to ask this question: what part of the
> proposal will cause the IETF trouble?  if the answer is none, then we
> should be comfortable saying that.

So, let's analyse that, *assuming* that our two "Paragraph 3062" reservations
are brought up front. What will cause us trouble of a kind that we aren't
already potentially exposed to? The only thing I can see is that there
will be one more link in the formal management chain between us and the
people doing the actual work of IANA. But since our deal already includes
direct contact with the workers for day-to-day actions, where's the trouble?

Based on that, I support the proposed response. However, to avoid any
over-interpretation, maybe the first sentence could be slightly qualified:
"The IETF IANAPLAN working group supports the draft ICG proposal going forward
as far as the Protocol Parameters function is concerned."

   Brian