Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 19 May 2015 14:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
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On 5/19/15 4:49 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > > > > > *From:*Eliot Lear [mailto:lear@cisco.com] > > I'm not sure I parsed you entirely correctly here, but the concern I > was raising was this: the ICANN fee and the naming gold rush have > cross-subsidized the other functions, most notably protocol > parameters. If names pulls out of the PTI, what incentives and > mechanisms would remain in place to continue to fund the other > functions at the same service levels? That simply was not a concern > before. It is (at least to me) now. I don't think it is > insurmountable, especially over a longer term, but perhaps some > groundwork may need to be laid within the naming context now, even if > the IETF or RIRs do not choose to go directly to the PTI. > > > > And yes, it is true that the IETF could always have terminated the > arrangement, and then we would have had a funding problem of our > making. But that would have been the IETF's decision, not the naming > community's. This situation is different. > > > > MM: Eliot, let me rephrase your concern this way. Tell me if you think > it is fair and then we will have a clearer basis for discussion. > > > > You and Alissa are saying that you want the protocols IANA functions > to remain outside of PTI and in ICANN because that way, the names > community will have no choice as to whether it can withdraw from the > arrangement, whereas IETF can decide whether to withdraw at any time. > > > > Correct? > > > I would state it differently: I am all for the names community to have choices, but let's agree that there are ramifications for the other communities, and those ramifications should be addressed and not swept under the rug. Eliot
- [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- [Ianaplan] PTI Structure/implications (was: Re: C… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Lynn St.Amour
- [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG draft … Lynn St.Amour
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Grace Abuhamad
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- [Ianaplan] Everybody, take a breather (Was: Re: C… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell