Re: [Ianaplan] Fwd: For your Information: CWG-Stewardship Response for Chartering Organization Consideration and Approval

"Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch> Sat, 20 June 2015 07:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Fwd: For your Information: CWG-Stewardship Response for Chartering Organization Consideration and Approval
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Please see below.

Thanks and best,
Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ianaplan [mailto:ianaplan-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Avri
> Doria
> Sent: samedi, 20. juin 2015 03:34
> To: ianaplan@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Fwd: For your Information: CWG-Stewardship
> Response for Chartering Organization Consideration and Approval
> 
> Hi,
> 

SNIP

> 
> I admit that despite the respect I have for the IETF and its Trust,
> given that the Trust's fiduciary responsibilities are solely to the
> IETF, I argue that the IANA domain names and any trademarks associated
> with them should be transferred to the PTI along with the other assets
> necessary for doing its job.  And if that can't happen, then remaining
> with ICANN seems the next best option to me.

The goal of transferring the mark and the domain name to an entity external
to ICANN was, it seems to me, to achieve some separation. In the current
CWG-Stewardship draft proposal, PTI is a wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN,
with a Board whose majority is ICANN. If I understand the proposal
correctly, PTI could not become independent of ICANN unless the ICANN Board
agreed to that.

So transferring the mark and the domain name to PTI has, in my view, no
effect: you may as well leave them with ICANN.

If they remain with ICANN, then, as previously discussed on this list and
elsewhere, ICANN has full control of how the mark and the domain name are
used. Some people don't see a problem with that, others do.

To be clear, I would object to any change with respect to the previous
proposal to transfer the mark and the domain name to an external entity, and
I do think that the IETF Tust would be the right entity to which to transfer
them.

> 
> I do agree with those who question the license being for exclusive
> ICANN/PTI use.  Not being a lawyer of any sort, I will look into the
> reasons given for the exclusive license and see if can find any
> reasonable basis for it.  I tend to think that this is something that
> should/could probably be adjusted on ICG recommendation.
> 
> avri
> 
SNIP
>