Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG

Dave Crocker <> Mon, 09 February 2015 15:04 UTC

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On 2/9/2015 6:47 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 09, 2015 at 06:34:07AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
>> I took the earlier IANAPlan discussion as deciding that ownership of the
>> name was not worth a possibly contentious process, rather than an IETF
>> desire not to hold the name.
> That was how I took the earlier discussion too.  I will also say that,
> in my own case, my opposition to adding and the IANA trade
> mark to our list of transitions must haves was exactly, "Not worth a
> possibly contentious process."  I think we should not bargain for such
> a change, because I don't think it gives us anything that would be
> worth giving anything up for.  But if someone else wants to engage in
> such bargaining, I think the IETF Trust is a fine place for the name
> or trademark or both to land.

In terms of making a discrete statement, perhaps this translates to:

     The IETF is willing to have the IETF Trust hold registration of
IANA.ORG, if that is the preference produced from the IANA Stewardship
Transition Coordination Group process.

This leaves a question of name /use/ policies and procedures that
probably need to be explicit as part of the hand-off to the Trust.  I'm
not clear whether that essentially means essentially defining a name
sub-registry, but it has to cover some set of administrative and
operational formalities.

In purely pro forma terms it does not seem prudent for the IETF Trust to
simple be passive and accept whatever is defined by others, if we are
taking on responsibility for asserting the policies and procedures
associated with maintenance and use of the name.

But it's entirely possible that we could come close to passivity,
leaving the IETF role merely as one of approval, along the lines of:

     as long as the associated policies and procedures are acceptable to
the IETF Trust.

And then we leave the details of that assessment to the Trust.  (And if
the Trust wants to be more active in formulating P&Ps that it finds
acceptable, that's dandy too...)

Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking