Re: [Ianaplan] on considering consensus

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 25 August 2015 05:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] on considering consensus
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On 8/25/15 7:42 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> We have this rule that rough consensus is established on the list. And
> I would say the problem with the meeting text is that journalists will
> spin it to say that the IETF agrees with the whole plan.

But the text that you proposed will be spun the opposite way that there
is not support for the proposal as a whole, which is worse.  And rough
consensus can be CONFIRMED on the list.  I don't say we have it at this
point, but I'd like the 15 people not to be ignored.

Eliot