[Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Mon, 11 May 2015 18:42 UTC
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Subject: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF
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Hi everyone, I'm writing this with an eye toward a conversation that perhaps the IAB and IAOC might find useful, as they consider various activities relating to the IANA transition. Over the last week or so, I read through the CWG proposal for the naming component of the IANA functions transition proposal. That proposal can be found at [1]. I'm posting some comments here strictly as relates to the IETF relationship with ICANN, and not the rest of it, since that discussion should occur elsewhere. The basis of the naming community's proposal is to create a new entity to take on the IANA functions, known as Post-Transition IANA (PTI)[2]. That entity would be a wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN, but have its own management structure, including a customer service component, known as the Customer Standing Committee. All current IANA functions would be transferred to the PTI under this proposal. A multistakeholder IANA Function Review (IFR) process is created as well. In a sense, the proposal is vaguely reminiscent of our own arrangements. In particular it seems that the names community also wants to a customer relationship with the IANA Functions Operator (IFO) and to have the choice to change providers, should that ever become necessary. There's a bunch of mechanism proposed to reduce the likelihood of a change, including escalation, a separation review, etc., but at the end of the day the choice would be the naming community's, just as the IAB has had the choice to continue the protocol parameters arrangement. How does this affect the IETF? First, if all functions are meant to be transferred to the PTI, it seems that the IAB would have to agree to an assignment, per the terms of RFC-2860.[2] Second, since for the first time the naming community would have a choice in whether they wish to change IFO, we have to ask the question, “What if they did?” What would happen to the PTI? What, in particular, are the funding implications? It has always been possible for ICANN or the IAB to terminate the arrangement. If that happened, however, the IAB and IAOC would have to work with ISOC to determine a funding source for a new IFO for protocol parameters. It's worth noting that NRO Executive Council has stated that they wish to retain a direct relationship with ICANN, and NOT the PTI[4]. The IAB could do the same, but then it seems to me that the value of the PTI itself is diminished. And so that brings us back to the cardinal question: what's right for the Internet? Here I understand that different people will have varying views. Having the burden of funding shift to another source can itself be a source of instability. The CWG proposal contains the FY15 budget costs for the IANA function. That total is $6.3 million[6], but includes indirect and shared costs as well. What isn't in those costs is an allocation across functions. At the very least we should have that information. Preferably we should have those costs separately funded, to the extent possible. This would provide the naming community all the freedom they want, and us all the freedom we want, without budgetary risk. Having written that last line, I feel the need to once again point out what we said in our response, that we are satisfied with the performance of ICANN as IFO, and have been for quite some time, and that all of this is still contingency planning.[5] And so questions: * Under this new arrangement, does it make sense to continue the relationship with ICANN as it stood before or does it make sense to go directly to PTI? * If the arrangement is with PTI, should we seek a budgetary separation, and what would be the complexities of that? I think there may be other questions for the CWG proposal, but to me these are the big questions. Eliot [1] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/cwg-stewardship-draft-proposal-with-annexes-22apr15-en.pdf [2] See III.A bullet 1. [3] RFC 2860 [4] Message from Axel Pawlik to icg-forum@icanncg.org on 10 May 2015, "Numbers community proposal contact points with CWG’s Draft IANA". [5] draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response. [6] See Annex P of the CWG draft.
- [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IETF Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- [Ianaplan] PTI Structure/implications (was: Re: C… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Lynn St.Amour
- [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG draft … Lynn St.Amour
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Grace Abuhamad
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] ICANN Board response to the CWG dr… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Jari Arkko
- [Ianaplan] Everybody, take a breather (Was: Re: C… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] CWG draft and its impact on the IE… Stephen Farrell