[Ianaplan] Quibbling about origins (was Re: draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02 working group last call)

[Dave Crocker <[e-mail]>]

As Andrew notes, this has nothing to do with current concerns, so I've
changed the Subject.


On 11/3/2014 12:30 PM, Richard Hill wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ianaplan [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Andrew
>> Sullivan
>> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 07:14:19PM +0100, Richard Hill wrote:
>>> So, since the IANA function was originally an emanation of the IETF
>>
>> No, it was not.  It was an emanation of someone to whom various
>> interested parties deferred. 
...
> As that E-Mail says, the  first formal reference to "IANA" seems to be in
> RFC 1060, of 1990.
> 
> So the IANA function was an emanation of the IETF.

This confuses nomenclature with function.  In this case, the
nomenclature came long after the function had been in continuous operation.

The Wikipedia entry on IANA's history matches my understanding of things
-- which matches what I usually hear others from that early timeframe cite:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority#History

 -- and it notes that the /function/ dates back to the early 70s. This
also matches IANA's own reporting of its history:


https://www.iana.org/about/presentations/davies-berlin-domainpulse-060208.pdf


>> In general, I think foundational arguments in this area are likely to
>> get us into a dark and very wet swamp.  It seems to me that we need to
>> concentrate on what outcome we want ("stuff stays the same"),
> 
> Yes.  But we differ on what "staying the same" means.

Independent of an origins debate, we have had a stable operation of
IETF/ICANN/IANA/USG for something like 17 years.  That provides a pretty
reasonable baseline for assessing what it means to have things "stay the
same".

This, of course, is entirely distinct from determining what constitutes
reasonable components of the next agreement with ICANN...

One would think that removal of the USG from the equation would be
considered as a significant environmental change.



d/

-- 
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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