Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Tue, 29 September 2015 17:34 UTC
Return-Path: <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
X-Original-To: ianaplan@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ianaplan@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB6C1ACD54 for <ianaplan@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDIMzIrIuEvJ for <ianaplan@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:cfab]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAD91ACD52 for <ianaplan@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE62D10739 for <ianaplan@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca
Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TSPmy97UD4ML for <ianaplan@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mx2.yitter.info (c-73-142-68-92.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [73.142.68.92]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E75581072D for <ianaplan@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:34:28 +0000 (UTC)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:34:27 -0400
From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
To: ianaplan@ietf.org
Message-ID: <20150929173427.GJ86614@mx2.yitter.info>
References: <56A1B728-98DF-409A-B2B6-2624F53FE175@cooperw.in> <3A58359B-420B-4FEC-B812-4659D980C5D3@vigilsec.com> <CAD_dc6gSKTURuXkFuay8dUKm6i+c9amEgmRQ_-Y37C_hv5i45Q@mail.gmail.com> <20150929151542.GB86614@mx2.yitter.info> <560AC921.4090700@gih.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <560AC921.4090700@gih.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ianaplan/qqU6OHksDQ91zIM2niEgr4QFizo>
Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
X-BeenThere: ianaplan@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IANA Plan <ianaplan.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ianaplan>, <mailto:ianaplan-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ianaplan/>
List-Post: <mailto:ianaplan@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ianaplan-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan>, <mailto:ianaplan-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:34:32 -0000
Hi, On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 06:23:45PM +0100, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote: > recommendation was made by several entities, including the ALAC. We were > concerned that whilst today there appears to be several informal > channels, the future might not keep it this way. So we felt that it > would be a good idea to keep at least a formal channel open so that we > don't end up with one operational community deciding to split without > finding a way to keep the three functions operated by the same IANA > functions operator. With respect, that is exactly how bureacracies get built: people try to replace a functioning rough-and-ready system with something that is formal and well-built. Once you establish such formal rules, it is almost impossible to resist the temptation to continue to build more formalism, and soon you have people following the rules instead of getting the work done. It is far from clear to me that the much more formal communication paths among the various intra-ICANN constituencies are more resilient or reliable than the informal communication paths that exist inter-community. > idea what the next generations will be like and whether this collegial > collaboration will continue. If we (as communities) see those bonds start to fray, then we will have a responsibility to set up the relevant communication mechanisms, with that responsibility being one of the tasks that is handed along between generations of people. The IAB already has this responsibility not just with ICANN but with any other organization that impinges on the IETF. I don't think the IANA-community relationships are unusual in any important way as compared to other such relationships, so I think the formal commitment from the IETF already exists. This is expressed in RFC 2850 section 2 item (f). So if something special is wanted, we can point to that. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Eric Burger
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Dan Schlitt
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Ray Pelletier
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Ray Pelletier
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Ray Pelletier
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Ray Pelletier
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Peterson, Jon
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Geoff Huston
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Jefsey
- [Ianaplan] Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] Question from the … Alissa Cooper
- [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG John Levine
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG Jari Arkko