Re: [Ianaplan] it's more than that

[Milton L Mueller <[e-mail]>]

Here’s a response to John Curran, John Sweeting and Andrew Sullivan all in one:

First, Andrew, “the problem” referenced in my message was ICANN legal’s reported reaction to the CRISP proposal, and that is evident from even the part that you quoted. I was not talking about IETF-IANA. Whether the IETF is having the same kind of “problem” as the RIRs or not is still unclear – but there is no doubt what “the problem” is.

John Curran’s post, happily, makes it clear that the ARIN board recognized “the problem” and addressed it more or less directly. Thus, I am not sure why John Sweeting finds it necessary to deny that the concerns it articulates represent the prevailing view in the numbers community. I wasn’t aware of the ARIN board action when I wrote my blog post and that is the only reason it wasn’t mentioned. But this oversight is no big deal because the ARIN statement essentially affirms its recognition of the problems that were already outlined in Woodcock’s presentation (and Woodcock is on the board of ARIN), namely a call for transparency and the necessity of the principle of a termination right. But I will be happy to further publicize the ARIN board statement if you think that accomplishes anything.

--MM


From: John Curran [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 10:58 AM
To: Milton L Mueller
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] it's more than that

On May 4, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Milton L Mueller <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

The problem is substantiated by the members of the CRISP team who made the presentation. Here is a link to that presentation: https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_35/PDF/monday/crisp_panel.pdf

Unless you believe that Bill Woodcock was making it all up, and that other CRISP team members present and ARIN's in house counsel stood by and let him publicly fantasize without challenge, I think there is enough substantiation here to warrant queries and concerns.

You ask for a documented note, but the problem is precisely that someone within ICANN seems to be pressuring the RIRs to alter their transition proposal and this negotiation process is not transparent or open.

In any case, ARIN’s Board made quote plain 24 hours later that the process must be transparent and
open -  <https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_35/PDF/wednesday/curran_transition.pdf>

1.  ARIN advocates that the CRISP draft Service Level Agreement (SLA) be completed promptly, with fidelity to the CRISP Principles, and made public immediately.
2.  ARIN believes that any comments or objections to the draft Service Level Agreement or its underlying Principles be provided publicly on the CRISP mailing list ([e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>), whether those comments originate with the RIR organizations, ICANN, or others in the community.
...

Milton - You do an exceptional job raising potential concerns for the community to note,
but perhaps lacked sufficient column inches to include follow-on information such as the
above?

/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN