Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG

Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> Mon, 09 February 2015 17:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
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Dave,

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>; wrote:
> 
> On 2/9/2015 9:01 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
>> With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain, both are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a particular IANA Numbering Services Operator. 
>> 
>> The IETF Trust would be an acceptable candidate for holding the trademark and domain.
> 
> 
> Those look like a useful preface to the text that I suggested.  The
> result is a reasonable sequence:
> 
> 
>     With regards to the IANA trademark and the IANA.ORG domain, both
> are associated with the IANA Numbering Services and not with a
> particular IANA Numbering Services Operator.
> 
>     The IETF Trust would be an acceptable candidate for holding the
> trademark and domain.
> 
>     The IETF is willing to have the IETF Trust hold registration of
> IANA.ORG, if that is the preference produced from the IANA Stewardship
> Transition Coordination Group process, if the associated policies and
> procedures are acceptable to the IETF Trust.

I’m not comfortable with that wording.  The IETF Trust is an independent body
with its own processes and limits.  Thus “The IETF is willing to have the IETF
Trust hold…”  I find troublesome.

IMHO the Trust cannot speculate as to what its action will be when there is 
an ask from an appropriate party to hold the mark and domain. I think they can say
that when asked they would follow their processes and take a decision at that time.

I think the IETF can point to rfc-editor.org and say that when the Trust was asked in 2009 to 
hold the domain and allow its use by successor contractors they did so; 
 
Perhaps language like - The IETF would support a decision by the IETF Trust to hold the 
IANA mark, and iana.org domain in behalf of the Internet community.  It would be my expectation
that the Trust would ask the community for input before it took such a decision.

Ray
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