Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF proposal development process
JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Mon, 02 February 2015 17:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF proposal development process
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Dear Alissa, As far as I am concerned, I understand that the "Libre" has no specific "internal" interest in the ICG anymore, since our only link was the preeminence of the IAB as an ICANN accountability master. They have now severed that link and transferred it to the NTIA, which is for us an external stakeholder just as any other one. This also means that the ICG is for us another stakeholder. Since we favor an omnistakeholder approach, we are certainly interested in external relations with the ICG, the same as with the IETF, IAB, IEEE, W3C, NDNconsortium, Unicode consortium, IGF, the members of the GAC, ICANN, ITU, and everyone else. However, we do not understand how most of them wish/plan to establish such relations. Our own plan is at the image of our concepts and capacities: a cooperative company of the catenet (CCC) where every shareholder has one vote. This is a simple concept but not a simple task to gather the initial founders, write the appropriate by-laws, and specify, develop, and operate the corresponding networked management tools. So we hope we can incorporate as a seed, with a good global command of our project, before the completion of the ICANN/NTIA agreement. This does not prevent earlier relations. Please advise as to the best way for both of us to proceed. Thank you. jfc morfin At 01:56 31/01/2015, Alissa Cooper wrote: >All, >I realize there has been significant discussion on this thread, so >the note below from the ICG may appear belated, but I wanted to >share it nonetheless. > >The ICG suggests that you take all comments the ICG has forwarded to >you from ><http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/>http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/ >about your proposal or the process of creating it as if they were >made inside your process and address them as you normally would. > >The ICG is aware of the comments. If the ICG has specific questions >to you based on the comments we will explicitly ask them to you as >part of our normal ICG process just like any other question we may have. > >Let me know if you have questions. > >Thanks, >Alissa on behalf of the ICG > >On Jan 19, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Alissa Cooper ><<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > >>After draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response was submitted to the ICG, >>the ICG received the following comment: >><http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/msg00017.html>http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/msg00017.html >>_______________________________________________ >>Ianaplan mailing list >><mailto:Ianaplan@ietf.org>Ianaplan@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan > >_______________________________________________ >Ianaplan mailing list >Ianaplan@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ianaplan
- [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF pro… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… John C Klensin
- [Ianaplan] You told us not to trust you anymore [… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… John Curran
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Milton L Mueller
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Russ Housley
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Avri Doria
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Richard Hill
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Jefsey
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ianaplan] Process concern regarding the IETF… JFC Morfin