Re: [Iasa20] Ballot positions on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 05 July 2019 20:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Ballot positions on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis
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On 05/07/2019 21:43, Bob Hinden wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Brian E Carpenter
>> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with Alissa on this. There are quite a lot of reasons why we 
>> might need RFC7437bisbis, some of which are much more serious than 
>> the various points raised by several ADs, but I believe we should 
>> first wrap up the changes required by the creation of IETF LLC.
> 
> I agree.  Especially since we have a working LLC signing contracts
> for us, spending money, etc, etc.  The IETF process documents like
> RFC7437 need to be aligned as soon a possible.
> 
>> 
>> I don't think rechartering IASA2 for this purpose would be 
>> appropriate at all. Starting a process that might lead to a new 
>> version of the POISED, POISED95 or POISSON WG would seem more
>> suitable. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/poisson/about/ for
>> example.
> 
> I also agree.  Making changes to the NomCom process needs a new w.g.
> focused on that.   That is not the focus on the IASA 2.0 w.g., nor
> should it be.

FWIW, I also agree with Brian and Bob.

I'm not sure how much real energy there may be for a
concrete set of work items for a POISED-like thing,
but I do agree there're a set of potential work items
each of which likely has a bunch of people who'd like
to see 'em addressed.

But yes, not in this WG, and not in a way that'd
prevent finishing the chartered work here.

S.

> 
> Thanks, Bob
> 
> 
>> 
>> Regards Brian Carpenter
>> 
>> On 06-Jul-19 06:41, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>>> Dear IESG,
>>> 
>>> I wanted to draw your special attention to this text in
>>> draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis:
>>> 
>>> "This revision addresses only the changes required for IASA 2.0; 
>>> should the community agree on other changes, they will be
>>> addressed in future documents.”
>>> 
>>> As well as this text in the IASA2 WG charter:
>>> 
>>> "This working group is chartered to document the normative
>>> changes to IETF administrative structures and processes necessary
>>> to effectuate [the change to IASA 2.0].”
>>> 
>>> If the IESG is not going to allow draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis or
>>> other IASA2 documents to progress unless changes unrelated to
>>> IASA 2.0 are made, I think the WG needs to be rechartered. The
>>> authors and the WG purposefully did not make any other changes to
>>> the base documents, so making other changes as a result of IESG
>>> evaluation does not seem appropriate. I think the appropriate
>>> thing to do would be for ADs who want to see that happen to start
>>> a thread about re-chartering on the iasa20 list. (Note: this is
>>> not my preference since I suspect it will delay the minimal
>>> changes related to IASA 2.0 from being published for a long time,
>>> but if that’s what the community wants I’ll support it.)
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Alissa
>>> 
>>> 
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