Re: [Iasa20] employees and contractors in 6635bis

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Wed, 01 May 2019 15:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] employees and contractors in 6635bis
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John,

> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:22 PM, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> 
>>> stuff from afar.  Give the LLC board some credit for not being total incompetents and let them have the flexibility to do their job.
>> 
>> I wish you'd stop saying that. It is not always relevant. Discussing whether an RSE can be a contractor/employee is not micromanaging.
> 
> It is totally micromanaging because it depends on the details of the employment law of wherever the employee is, in which neither you nor I nor anyone else here are experts.
> 
> For the American IRS rules, an indefinitely renewable agreement and a person who "provides services that are a key aspect of the business" make it more likely that the person is an employee, which sounds like the RSE to me.  This is something for employment lawyers to sort out, not us.

Two points.

The employment status of the current RSE was sorted out in the past between the RSOC and ISOC HR.    

6635bis allow for either, current text is:

   For the actual recruitment and selection of the RSE, the RSOC will
   propose a budget for the search process.  It will work with the LLC
   to refine that budget and develop remuneration criteria and an
   employment agreement or contracting plans, as appropriate.

Bob

 
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> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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