Re: [Iasa20] Comments on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4844-bis-01

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 10 February 2019 17:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Comments on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4844-bis-01
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Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
    > This is the desired process. I think what Richard is pointing out is
    > that the LLC is under no formal obligation to pay attention to the
    > IAB. And so like all good contractual relationships one has to ask what
    > the recourse is for the LLC not following through. The answer is quite
    > simple: appoint different LLC directors the next time around.

We do this regularly in our day jobs.
As hiring managers ("IAB"), we interview and hire people.
Once we've decided, we sent them to HR ("LLC"), and they negotiate an
agreement.   HR can (and sometimes does) have reasons why they won't hire the
people we want.  They also let people go for a variety of reasons, many
of which are against the wishes of the hiring manager.

What's unique about this situation is that we ("IAB") have some control
over HR.

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