Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS)
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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>, Joseph Lorenzo Hall
<joe@cdt.org>
CC: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, IASA 2 WG
<iasa20@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis@ietf.org"
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Thread-Topic: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on
draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS)
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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on
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> On the high level principle this would be fine. However, it makes me ask the first question if IRSG is the right entity. It likely are, but I lack the insight into IRTF management to say that. Secondly, this will be the first mention of the IRSG in the document. So some introduction or at least reference appears to be needed. [JL] I am not sure why we’d say IRSG instead of just IRTF, which is what we already say in 4.1 under the definition for the IETF LLC. Thus, my preference is IRTF (see below) to keep it simple & consistent. I think this also means we need to add the IRTF to the terminology section in 4.1. The IETF LLC Board is directly accountable to the IETF community for the performance of the IASA 2.0. However, the nature of the Board's work involves treating the IESG, IRTF, and IAB as major internal customers of the administrative support services. The Board and the IETF Executive Director should not consider their work successful unless the IESG, IRTF, and IAB are also satisfied with the administrative support that the IETF is receiving.
- [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-iet… Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft… Magnus Westerlund