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Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Thu, 11 April 2019 11:19 UTC

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From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org>
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Thanks,

I missed that there where a new version. I have cleared.

Cheers

Magnus

On 2019-04-11 12:11, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
Change was posted in the new -09

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 03:42 Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com<mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>> wrote:
Hi,

I am also fine with just saying IRTF. Will clear my discuss when incorporated.

Cheers

Magnus

On 2019-04-10 17:39, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
+1, sounds good

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:47 AM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com<mailto:ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>> wrote:

Agreed with the point about “IRSG”. The IRTF Steering Group is appointed and functions differently than the IAB or IESG. I believe it is intended to “advise” the IRTF Chair.

So, I think the new text s/IRSG/IRTF/ is fine.

Leslie.

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On 10 Apr 2019, at 9:53, Magnus Westerlund wrote:

On 2019-04-10 13:55, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:

To boil this down to text, would this be sufficient in your view, Magnus?:

OLD

The IETF LLC Board is directly accountable to the IETF community for
   the performance of the IASA 2.0.  However, the nature of the Board's
   work involves treating the IESG and IAB as major internal customers
   of the administrative support services.  The Board and the IETF
   Executive Director should not consider their work successful unless
   the IESG and IAB are also satisfied with the administrative support
   that the IETF is receiving.

NEW

The IETF LLC Board is directly accountable to the IETF community for
   the performance of the IASA 2.0.  However, the nature of the Board's
   work involves treating the IESG, IRSG, and IAB as major internal customers
   of the administrative support services.  The Board and the IETF
   Executive Director should not consider their work successful unless
   the IESG, IRSG, and IAB are also satisfied with the administrative support
   that the IETF is receiving.



On the high level principle this would be fine. However, it makes me ask the first question if IRSG is the right entity. It likely are, but I lack the insight into IRTF management to say that. Secondly, this will be the first mention of the IRSG in the document. So some introduction or at least reference appears to be needed.

Cheers

Magnus Westerlund

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