Re: [Iasa20] Recall details in rfc7437bis

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

Alissa,

Works for me. 
thanks
   john


--On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 11:45 -0400 Alissa Cooper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Changed the subject line and dropped the IESG and others from
> the recipients list since this is about a different WG
> document.
> 
> I commented on the issue in light of this email thread:
> https://github.com/IASA2/RFC-7437-bis/issues/9
> <https://github.com/IASA2/RFC-7437-bis/issues/9>
> 
> Also posting the text here for discussion:
> 
> I thought the WG discussion was clear that recall should not
> apply to the ISOC-appointed director, but should apply to the
> board-appointed directors. This is also reflected in the LLC
> agreement. I haven't re-reviewed the threads though.
> 
> There is actually an additional change that would need to be
> made in 7.1 that I missed before, to make all of this align.
> And text is needed to address John Klensin's point about two
> recall petitions versus one. So something like this could
> capture all of that:
> 
> Member, Trustee, and Director Recall
> The following rules apply to the recall process. If necessary,
> a paragraph discussing the interpretation of each rule is
> included.
> 
> It applies to IESG and IAB Members, the NomCom appointed IETF
> Trust Trustees, and all IETF LLC Directors except the
> ISOC-appointed LLC Director.
> 
> 7.1. Petition
> 
> At any time, a signed petition (email is acceptable) may be
> submitted to the Internet Society President to request the
> recall of any sitting IESG or IAB member, or NomCom appointed
> IETF Trust Trustee, or any IETF LLC Director except the
> ISOC-appointed Director. There are two different types of
> petitions: a petition by participants of the IETF community,
> and a petition by the Ombudsteam as described in [RFC7776].
> 
> A petition to recall an individual who is simultaneously
> serving as both an IETF LLC Director and in another role that
> is eligible for recall may request that the individual be
> recalled from one role or both roles.
> 
> Alissa
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2019, at 9:40 AM, John C Klensin
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> 
>> Barry,
>> 
>> Agree completely.  While a personally prefer to treat the two
>> positions as separate (and requiring separate removal actions)
>> for the reason you describe, my main concern is only that we
>> reach some agreement and be clear about it.  This is not the
>> sort of thing we can, as John Levine and Bob Hinden suggested
>> for what I assume are other issues, wait until there is a
>> problem and then sort things out ex post facto.
>> 
>> thanks,
>>   john
>> 
>> 
>> --On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 08:50 -0400 Barry Leiba
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> 
>>>> It also raises the question I've tried to ask before: if an
>>>> IESG member (Chair or otherwise) who is serving as a
>>>> Director resigns or is recalled from the IESG, does that
>>>> action remove that person from the LLC Board position, or
>>>> are the two positions essentially separate?
>>> 
>>> Alissa's proposed text addresses that by making it clear that
>>> regardless of how the IESG appointee is appointed, the person
>>> serves a full term as LLC Director.
>>> 
>>> That does mean that, with a recall situation, there need to
>>> be two recalls done.  Perhaps they could be bundled into one
>>> recall (in the case, for instance, of someone who
>>> disappears). But I think it's good to be able to separate
>>> them, in a case, say, of an AD who is egregiously bad, but
>>> who is doing fine on the LLC Board.
>>> 
>>> Barry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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