Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 models
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Sat, 17 February 2018 13:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 models
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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 03:00:08PM -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: > > Seems to me that as long as ISOC provides most of the support for the IETF (and I think that true in each options presented), doesn’t this just morph into "ISOC is paying for the IETF, I gave money to the ISOC, why are you asking me again?". Unless we are financially independent of ISOC, I don’t think moving to a new entity will really change this. > I don't think that's right. Your argument depends on the "fungible funds" stance, which is indeed a current problem. Even people who understand how to earmark funds donated to ISOC for the IETF currently argue that this just allows ISOC to redirect money that _would_ have gone to the IETF to some other activity. Now, we have not discussed the practicalities of operating under any of the new models, but I would anticipate an arrangement in which the IETFAdminOrg had responsibility for some budget and operating within it. This would mean ensuring that the IETF account (rather than the ISOC general account) was funded appropriately to meet the IETF needs. Money could flow back and forth across that boundary still, but it would be a more formal process and would necessitate more obvious controls. This would quite likely mean that some of the historical tendency to figure out what to spend and then figure out how much money we needed to ask ISOC for would need to change, at least over time. In my opinion, that sort of discipline would not be a bad thing. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 mode… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Salz, Rich
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Salz, Rich
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Richard Barnes
- Re: [Iasa20] [FORGED] Re: Memo exploring options … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Salz, Rich
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] [FORGED] Re: Memo exploring options … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brad Biddle
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Richard Barnes
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brad Biddle
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Richard Barnes
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Richard Barnes
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Bob Hinden
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Glenn Deen
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Bob Hinden
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Bob Hinden
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 … Gonzalo Camarillo