Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 models

Brian,

Short answer is:  yes.

Longer answer:   Repeatedly.  Within ISOC, and as the IETF owning more 
of its own efforts in the sponsorship program.

It’s not an easy relationship to explain to people who just need to 
know enough about us to recognize our value to them, and where to send 
the cheques.  And, as you likely know, this kind of friction is the last 
thing you want in a discussion about organizational support, because as 
soon as eyes glaze over, chequebooks go back into pockets.

Leslie.

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On 16 Feb 2018, at 16:20, Brian Carpenter wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Yes, I have seen these arguments and I understand them. And I'm not
> in the least criticising the I* for trying to find a fix. It's the
> complexity and cost of the fix that concerns me.
>
> Have we tried the cheap fix, which is a carefully written primer for
> potential sponsors?
>
> Regards
>    Brian
> On 17/02/2018 08:23, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 08:07:46AM +1300, Brian Carpenter wrote:
>>>
>>> But the only concrete example I've seen is the minor hassle that ekr
>>> just mentioned.
>>
>> If you haven't seen them, then it seems it's because you're not
>> reading the examples already raised.  But, for instance,
>>
>> 	- because the contracts have to be between ISOC and others, the
>> 	signing authority must be employed by ISOC, not us.
>>
>> 	- because the contracts are let by ISOC, it appears to donors and
>> 	sponsors that money to the IETF is fungible funds given to ISOC.
>>
>> 	- it causes confusion among vendors as to whom they are dealing
>> 	with.
>>
>> 	- the minor hassle could actually lead to a large hassle in a
>> 	future case so far unexperienced.
>>
>> Having the ability to make decisions independently comes with some
>> costs. It seems plain you don't think those costs are worth bearing,
>> but I also think it is unfair for you to dismiss the issues others
>> have raised as being "minor hassles".  You're not now the one who
>> faces the community when things don't happen because ISOC's needs and
>> the IETF's needs are imperfectly aligned.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> A
>>
>
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