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([2605:e000:141b:7a:4537:6946:52f5:6753]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a138sm18581896pfd.47.2018.02.17.12.42.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:42:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Glenn Deen X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15C153) In-Reply-To: <5657276F-E288-42C7-ABA1-5F0A16557B49@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:42:07 -0800 Cc: Andrew Sullivan , iasa20@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06602FE1-B3CA-477C-AD2F-ED6B6AB9F9A2@gmail.com> References: <4483006c-1652-7340-19f8-8d0579af8213@cdt.org> <20182.1518727709@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <9631.1518800971@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <20180216185551.cgigor7up7uowmr6@mx4.yitter.info> <40a7ffe5-8417-cfdf-15dc-6603a5c7978f@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <20180216192334.jjgn6bineinfofux@mx4.yitter.info> <5327daa0-1d54-f051-e620-7c8f4bdc4870@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <20180216223021.jxetl5cz4uzem24c@mx4.yitter.info> <5657276F-E288-42C7-ABA1-5F0A16557B49@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Memo exploring options for IASA 2.0 models X-BeenThere: iasa20@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Discussions_relating_to_reorganising_the_IETF_administrative_structures_in_the_so_called_=93IASA_2=2E0=94_project=2E?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 20:42:11 -0000 > On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Seems to me that as long as ISOC provides most of the support for the IETF= (and I think that true in each options presented), doesn=E2=80=99t this jus= t morph into "ISOC is paying for the IETF, I gave money to the ISOC, why are= you asking me again?". Unless we are financially independent of ISOC, I do= n=E2=80=99t think moving to a new entity will really change this. >=20 > Bob There are different degrees of independence as represented by the three mode= ls. =20 While financial independence comes with the real responsibility to live with= in our budgets and foundational moneys like any mature organization has to, i= t does permit donors to directly know that what they give to the IETF really= grows the IETF budget and not simply offset money ISOC would have otherwise= contributed were it not for the donation. It may actually help us raise funds more easily in some circles. Glenn Deen