Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

> This is not correct. As Joe pointed out, any director can be removed via the IETF recall process.

I don't think so. Agreed, the draft says:

>    Directors may also be removed via the
>    IETF recall process defined in [I-D.ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis],
>    Section 7.

But that Section 7 says:

>    The following rules apply to the recall process.  If necessary, a
>    paragraph discussing the interpretation of each rule is included.
> 
>    It applies to IESG and IAB Members, the NomCom appointed IETF Trust
>    Trustees, and the NomCom appointed IETF LLC Directors.

That *does not* include the IESG-appointed LLC Director, even
if they are an IESG member.

If that's a drafting error in 7437bis, my point would be
satisfied by fixing it.

Regards
   Brian

On 10-Apr-19 08:59, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did the WG analyze every possible ramification? No. But as far as I'm
>>>> concerned this was a conscious choice that obtained WG consensus.
>>>
>>> Of course the WG didn't and couldn't analyze *every* possibility;
>>> please don't try to pull my concern into appearing ridiculous.
>>
>> Sorry, that implication was an unintended side-effect.
>>
>> What I'm getting at is that we have a method of removing any IESG
>> member from the IESG (i.e. a recall) and two methods of removing
>> NomCom-appointed LLC Directors (section 6.7 of the draft). But
>> I now see that we've failed to define a method of removing the
>> IESG-appointed LLC Director if that became appropriate.
> 
> This is not correct. As Joe pointed out, any director can be removed via the IETF recall process.
> 
> Alissa
> 
>> That does
>> seem to need fixing. As long as Directors can be removed, we
>> don't need to analyze all possible contingencies.
>>
>> So how about changing the language to make it clear that the
>> IESG can remove as well as appoint their Director?
>>
>> Skipping to later in the thread, I prefer your suggestion #2:
>>
>>>> 2. Make it clear that once the IESG appoints an AD as Director, that
>>>> person will serve her full term (modulo resignation, and see below),
>>>> regardless of whether she remains an AD.  It sounds like this is the
>>>> best way to make everyone on this discussion thread happy, but I think
>>>> we still need to go to the working group for consensus on it.
>>
>> I definitely agree with your suggestion that there needs to be
>> some language to cover mid-term replacement.
>>
>>     Brian
>>
> 
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