Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Tue, 09 April 2019 21:28 UTC
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From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 17:28:15 -0400
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> > What I'm getting at is that we have a method of removing any IESG > > member from the IESG (i.e. a recall) and two methods of removing > > NomCom-appointed LLC Directors (section 6.7 of the draft). But > > I now see that we've failed to define a method of removing the > > IESG-appointed LLC Director if that became appropriate. > > This is not correct. As Joe pointed out, any director can be removed via the IETF recall process. And I think that's sufficient. While it might seem reasonable to say that the IESG can replace its appointee at will, I think that would be a bad idea: I think that the IESG appointee is, above all, an LLC Director (which is one reason I think it should not simply routinely be the IETF Chair), and I would not want to give the IESG arbitrary discretion to replace a Director. It might work to have some sort of mechanism for the IESG to make a replacement under some conditions (a supermajority vote of some sort), but I think this definitely fits well into John Levine's "let's wait to see if it actually is a problem" philosophy. I'd rather leave this with the normal recall process. Barry
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