Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Sun, 30 June 2019 17:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Barry, > On Jun 29, 2019, at 6:09 AM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: > >> Regarding you first point: >> >>>>> — Section 3.8 — >>>>> >>>>> However, the following exception is permitted in the case where the >>>>> candidate for an open position is currently a sitting member of the >>>>> IAB. It is consistent with these rules for the announcements of a >>>>> resignation of a sitting member of the IAB and of the confirmed >>>>> candidate for the mid-term vacancy created by that sitting member on >>>>> the IAB to all occur at the same time as long as the actual sequence >>>>> of events that occurred did so in the following order: >>>>> >>>>> 1. The NomCom completes the advice and consent process for the open >>>>> position being filled by the candidate currently sitting on the >>>>> IAB. >>>>> >>>>> 2. The newly confirmed candidate resigns from their current position >>>>> on the IAB. >>>>> >>>>> 3. The IAB Chair (or the Managing Director, IETF Secretariat, if no >>>>> Chair has been named or the vacancy was created via the departure >>>>> of the IAB Chair) informs the NomCom of the mid-term vacancy. >>>>> >>>>> 4. The NomCom acts on the request to fill the mid-term vacancy. >>>>> >>>>> Either I don’t understand what this is saying or I don’t understand how it’s >>>>> possible. Paraphrasing, the first paragraph says that it’s OK for the >>>>> announcement of the sitting IAB member’s resignation to happen at the same time >>>>> as the announcement of that member’s confirmed replacement. That means that at >>>>> the time of the resignation, the NomCom already had to have selected the >>>>> replacement, given that selection to the confirming body, and had it confirmed. >>>>> Which means that step 4 had to have happened before step 2, or at least before >>>>> step 3, no? >> >> I think what these steps are saying that the steps need to be done in this order. For >> example, even though the NomCom might think there will be an opening on the IAB >> because they just appointed a sitting IAB member to, for example, an IESG position, >> they can’t fill that open position until the person resigned from the IAB and after they >> have heard from the IAB Chair that there is a mid-term vacancy. Then the NomCom >> can act to fill the vacancy. > > I get that. And, so, in that case, how can "the announcements of a > resignation of a sitting member of the IAB and of the confirmed > candidate for the mid-term vacancy created by that sitting member on > the IAB to all occur at the same time", given that earlier in Section > 3.8 it says this: > > The resignation should be effective as of when the term of the new > position begins. The resignation may remain confidential to the > IESG, IAB, IETF Trust, IETF LLC Board, and NomCom until the confirmed > candidate is announced for the new position. The process, according > to rules set out elsewhere in this document, of filling the seat > vacated by the confirmed candidate may begin as soon as the vacancy > is publicly announced. > That seems to say that the NomCom can't begin the selection process > for the replacement until the vacancy is publicly announced. So I'm > trying to understand exactly what "exception" is being explained in > the text I originally quoted, and I don't see how the four-step > ordered process changes the effect of the text immediately above this. > That's what I'm trying to understand. I am reading this differently, it says "The resignation may remain confidential”. This allows the candidate to be confirmed but not announced. I read the IAB exception to allow all of the steps to be taken and then make the announcement when it is all completed. I note this text is original to RFC7437, so unless we have heard from a NomCom that this has causing a significant NomCom problem, I continue to think that we shouldn’t change it as part of the IASA 2.0 work. Bob > > Barry
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