Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

[Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>]

> On Apr 9, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> This is not correct. As Joe pointed out, any director can be removed via the IETF recall process.
> 
> I don't think so. Agreed, the draft says:
> 
>>   Directors may also be removed via the
>>   IETF recall process defined in [I-D.ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis],
>>   Section 7.
> 
> But that Section 7 says:
> 
>>   The following rules apply to the recall process.  If necessary, a
>>   paragraph discussing the interpretation of each rule is included.
>> 
>>   It applies to IESG and IAB Members, the NomCom appointed IETF Trust
>>   Trustees, and the NomCom appointed IETF LLC Directors.
> 
> That *does not* include the IESG-appointed LLC Director, even
> if they are an IESG member.
> 
> If that's a drafting error in 7437bis, my point would be
> satisfied by fixing it.

Good catch. I filed an issue to address this: https://github.com/IASA2/RFC-7437-bis/issues/9 <https://github.com/IASA2/RFC-7437-bis/issues/9>

Alissa

> 
> Regards
>   Brian
> 
> On 10-Apr-19 08:59, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Did the WG analyze every possible ramification? No. But as far as I'm
>>>>> concerned this was a conscious choice that obtained WG consensus.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course the WG didn't and couldn't analyze *every* possibility;
>>>> please don't try to pull my concern into appearing ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, that implication was an unintended side-effect.
>>> 
>>> What I'm getting at is that we have a method of removing any IESG
>>> member from the IESG (i.e. a recall) and two methods of removing
>>> NomCom-appointed LLC Directors (section 6.7 of the draft). But
>>> I now see that we've failed to define a method of removing the
>>> IESG-appointed LLC Director if that became appropriate.
>> 
>> This is not correct. As Joe pointed out, any director can be removed via the IETF recall process.
>> 
>> Alissa
>> 
>>> That does
>>> seem to need fixing. As long as Directors can be removed, we
>>> don't need to analyze all possible contingencies.
>>> 
>>> So how about changing the language to make it clear that the
>>> IESG can remove as well as appoint their Director?
>>> 
>>> Skipping to later in the thread, I prefer your suggestion #2:
>>> 
>>>>> 2. Make it clear that once the IESG appoints an AD as Director, that
>>>>> person will serve her full term (modulo resignation, and see below),
>>>>> regardless of whether she remains an AD.  It sounds like this is the
>>>>> best way to make everyone on this discussion thread happy, but I think
>>>>> we still need to go to the working group for consensus on it.
>>> 
>>> I definitely agree with your suggestion that there needs to be
>>> some language to cover mid-term replacement.
>>> 
>>>    Brian
>>> 
>> 
>>