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"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> Sun, 24 February 2019 23:42 UTC

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Glenn Deen <rgd.ietf@gmail.com>, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] AD review of draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-04
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Glenn - I think perhaps Alissa is reacting to the LLC being consulted and in approval. Removing the former and retaining approval would seem to address the concern of it being circular and retain the intended approval. 

"The IETF Executive Director sets those meeting fees, in consultation with other IETF staff and the IETF community, and approval by the IETF LLC Board."

https://github.com/IASA2/draft-ietf-iasa2-struct/pull/84/commits/677d059cd858999e6ad3c7b5bbcc9583da51cfd5 

JL

On 2/24/19, 4:27 PM, "Glenn Deen" <rgd.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

    
    
    
    > On Feb 13, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
    > 
    > == Section 6.5 ==
    > 
    > "The IETF Executive Director sets those meeting fees,
    >   in consultation with the IETF LLC and the IETF community, with formal
    >   approval by the IETF LLC."
    > 
    > This sounds circular. Perhaps:
    > 
    > "The IETF Executive Director sets those meeting fees,
    >   in consultation with other IETF LLC staff and the IETF community."
    
    In the cleanup the requirement that the LLC Board must formally approve changes in meeting fees was dropped.    Was this intentional?    
    
    Under IASA2 the ED has a lot of autonomy to make decisions without being micromanaged  by the board, so it’s likely better to be explicit on those things that the ED cannot do without formal review by the board.
    
    Glenn 
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