[Iasa20] Recall details in rfc7437bis

[Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>]

Changed the subject line and dropped the IESG and others from the recipients list since this is about a different WG document.

I commented on the issue in light of this email thread: https://github.com/IASA2/RFC-7437-bis/issues/9 <https://github.com/IASA2/RFC-7437-bis/issues/9>

Also posting the text here for discussion:

I thought the WG discussion was clear that recall should not apply to the ISOC-appointed director, but should apply to the board-appointed directors. This is also reflected in the LLC agreement. I haven't re-reviewed the threads though.

There is actually an additional change that would need to be made in 7.1 that I missed before, to make all of this align. And text is needed to address John Klensin's point about two recall petitions versus one. So something like this could capture all of that:

Member, Trustee, and Director Recall
The following rules apply to the recall process. If necessary, a
paragraph discussing the interpretation of each rule is included.

It applies to IESG and IAB Members, the NomCom appointed IETF Trust
Trustees, and all IETF LLC Directors except the ISOC-appointed LLC Director.

7.1. Petition

At any time, a signed petition (email is acceptable) may be submitted
to the Internet Society President to request the recall of any
sitting IESG or IAB member, or NomCom appointed IETF Trust Trustee,
or any IETF LLC Director except the ISOC-appointed Director. There are two different types
of petitions: a petition by participants of the IETF community, and a
petition by the Ombudsteam as described in [RFC7776].

A petition to recall an individual who is simultaneously serving as both an IETF LLC Director and in another role that is eligible for recall may request that the individual be recalled from one role or both roles.

Alissa

> On Apr 10, 2019, at 9:40 AM, John C Klensin <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Barry,
> 
> Agree completely.  While a personally prefer to treat the two
> positions as separate (and requiring separate removal actions)
> for the reason you describe, my main concern is only that we
> reach some agreement and be clear about it.  This is not the
> sort of thing we can, as John Levine and Bob Hinden suggested
> for what I assume are other issues, wait until there is a
> problem and then sort things out ex post facto.
> 
> thanks,
>   john
> 
> 
> --On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 08:50 -0400 Barry Leiba
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>>> It also raises the question I've tried to ask before: if an
>>> IESG member (Chair or otherwise) who is serving as a Director
>>> resigns or is recalled from the IESG, does that action remove
>>> that person from the LLC Board position, or are the two
>>> positions essentially separate?
>> 
>> Alissa's proposed text addresses that by making it clear that
>> regardless of how the IESG appointee is appointed, the person
>> serves a full term as LLC Director.
>> 
>> That does mean that, with a recall situation, there need to be
>> two recalls done.  Perhaps they could be bundled into one
>> recall (in the case, for instance, of someone who disappears).
>> But I think it's good to be able to separate them, in a case,
>> say, of an AD who is egregiously bad, but who is doing fine on
>> the LLC Board.
>> 
>> Barry
> 
> 
> 
> 
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