Re: [Iasa20] I-D Action: draft-hall-iasa20-workshops-report-00.txt

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Tue, 21 March 2017 18:47 UTC

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Stephen,

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> On 21/03/17 17:26, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> That's not quite what I was getting at; and I do believe that responsibilities
>> can and should be well-defined. My point was that, having observed the IETF
>> and various other organisations with a mixture of professional and volunteer
>> effort, there is *always* a lack of crispness about what actually gets done
>> by the volunteers as opposed to staff. That's just a result of human nature
>> and the motivations and incentives that are at work. I'm not saying it's a
>> bad thing, either, but it's life.
> 
> I think we ought analyse and improve even though perfection
> is unattainable.
> 
> When I first looked over the list of IAOC cttes and their
> members this was one of the first things that struck me. I
> couldn't figure out who on which ctte does what from outside,
> not who really calls the shots.
> 
> I happen to think ending up in that kind of situation after
> 10 years of operating is not at all strange, in fact it's
> entirely understandable.
> 
> I'd not suggest we invent one rule to rule them all type of
> arrangement for all cttes, but just that someone tries to
> characterise, for each ctte, how different volunteer/staff
> roles are handled now.

To me this falls into the category that the IAOC needs to communicate a lot more about how they are currently doing their work.  The plenaries isn’t the way to do this, they need to find other mechanisms.

To some level it’s documented at iaoc.ietf.org, but I think we need more than that.

Thanks,
Bob


> 
> I'd bet a beer we discover stuff we'd like to change if we
> do do that.
> 
> Cheers,
> S.
> 
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