Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 09-Apr-19 06:15, Ted Hardie wrote: > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 11:01 AM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com <mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote: > > > Yes, I agree that the length of the term was discussed. I do no recall this aspect being discussed. > > At least one board seat will change every year. If the two-year term stands, then only half of the IESG can be considered for the seat, and that would be the people that have the same IESG term as the IETF Chair. The other half cannot be sure that they will still be on the IESG for a full two years. > > > As Joe noted, they do not have to be members of the IESG at all. If they were appointed while on the IESG and then rotated off by NomCom action, they could still serve the remaining year. Presumably, the IESG would have to take that into account when deciding who to select, but it is pretty clearly permitted by the document now. Agreed. And as somebody else pointed out, the incumbent can always resign if they happen to leave the IESG mid-term; or not, if they are happy to continue for another year, including of course communicating with the IESG as needed. If they were a worthy Board member in the first place, where's the problem? Did the WG analyze every possible ramification? No. But as far as I'm concerned this was a conscious choice that obtained WG consensus. Brian
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- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John Levine
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- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John Levine
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
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- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
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- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Joseph Lorenzo Hall