Re: [Iasa20] Comments on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4844-bis-01

[Abdussalam Baryun <[e-mail]>]

+1
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 1:59 AM Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
>
> On 09/02/2019 23:48, Richard Barnes wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:44 PM Russ Housley <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Alissa:
> >>
> >> I think we want the hiring/firing of the RFC Series Editor to stay with
> >> the IAB, but the funding to stay with IASA.
> >>
> >
> > This is not a reasonable thing to ask.
>
> I'm way behind in being up to speed on this wg's stuff, so I
> may be off base here, but I reckon I strongly agree with Russ.
> The IAB are picked by the community and ought be the ones to
> hire a new RSE if one is needed. With no disrespect meant to
> trades-persons, I'd be fine with the hiring of electricians
> being handled internal to IASA; but not an RSE - the context
> here means those are utterly different.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> PS: I'd have said the above even were I not an incoming IAB
> member and hope not to be involved in picking a new RSE whilst
> on the IAB:-)
>
> > One of the key driving factors for
> > this whole endeavor it makes no legal sense for an organization to
> delegate
> > its hiring / firing / contracting decisions to people external to that
> > organization.
> >
> > By all means, the IASA should work with the IAB on the RSE, but since the
> > IASA is ultimately the responsible party, it can't totally cede
> > responsibility.  The "operational oversight" text that's in there now
> seems
> > like it captures this accurately.
> >
> >
> >
> >> The decision whether the ED serves on the ROC should not be determined
> by
> >> this document.  If the IAB wants the ED to be part of RSOC, they can
> make
> >> that appointment.
> >>
> >> Perhaps it would be best to make this change:
> >>
> >> OLD:
> >>
> >>    The IASA is tasked with providing the funding for and operational
> >>    oversight of the RFC Editor.
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >>
> >>    The IASA is tasked with providing the funding for the RFC Editor.
> >>    The IETF Executive Director is tasked with overnight of contracts
> >>    and operational agreements related to the RFC Editor.
> >>
> >
> > I don't see how this accomplishes what you claim above.  The IETF ED is
> > part of the IASA.  And especially given that, the second sentence here is
> > really just micromanagement of the LLC.
> >
> > --Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Russ
> >>
> >> On Feb 8, 2019, at 8:11 PM, Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Earlier this week the IAB discussed whether to
> >> put draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4844-bis-01 out for community review. In
> reviewing
> >> it I felt there were some clarifications needed before it would be ready
> >> and the IAB thought the most appropriate path would be to bring those to
> >> the WG for resolution first.
> >>
> >> I haven’t started my AD review of 4071bis yet (hope to next week), but I
> >> think 4071bis has a problem in that the definition of “IASA” in that
> >> document is broken (it refers to the definition in 4071, which it
> itself is
> >> obsoleting). And until it is clear how we are defining “IASA,” I have
> >> trouble with statements such as the following from Section 3.3 in
> 4844bis:
> >>
> >> "The IASA is tasked with providing the funding for and operational
> oversight
> >> of the RFC Editor.”
> >>
> >> Is the RSOC part of IASA? It’s pretty hard to tell without a good
> >> definition of IASA, which we do not currently have IMO. (I think there
> is a
> >> further problem with the sentence above, which is that the funding comes
> >> from the LLC, and it would be better to be that specific.)
> >>
> >> While looking at Section 3.3, I don’t think this text belongs there
> since
> >> this document is about the RFC series and editor, not IASA generally:
> >>
> >> "The IETF LLC Board provides oversight of the IASA, and the IETF
> Executive
> >> Director is the chief actor for the IASA.”
> >>
> >> I also find lack of clarity between 4844bis Section 3 and 6635bis
> Section
> >> 3. For example, 4844bis says:
> >>
> >> "The IETF Executive Director works with the IAB to identify suitable
> persons
> >> or entities to fulfill the mandate of the RFC Editor.”
> >>
> >> While 6635bis says:
> >>
> >> "For all decisions that affect the RSE individually (e.g., hiring and
> firing),
> >> the RSOC prepares recommendations for the IAB, but the final decision is
> >> the responsibility of the IAB.”
> >>
> >> But under the current model (which I presume we plan to keep), the ED
> is a
> >> member of the RSOC. So does the ED work directly with the IAB? Or
> >> indirectly with the IAB through the RSOC? Or both?
> >>
> >> 4844bis also says:
> >>
> >> "The IETF Executive Director may define additional operational
> >> requirements and policies for management purposes to meet the
> >> requirements defined by the various communities.”
> >>
> >> I wonder if this is really consistent with what is envisioned in
> 6635bis.
> >>
> >> I also find it odd that the budget for an RSE search is discussed in
> >> 6635bis, while the budget for the RFC Editor function overall is
> discussed
> >> in 4844bis — is the separation meaningful? Since the LLC Board approves
> the
> >> whole IETF budget, presumably what 4844bis says about the RFC Editor
> budget
> >> applies to the search budget mentioned in 6635bis as well, but since
> it’s
> >> not explicit it isn’t totally clear.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alissa
> >>
> >>
> >>
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