Re: [Iasa20] 6635bis

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 26 April 2019 20:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] 6635bis
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On 27-Apr-19 01:45, Alissa Cooper wrote:
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>> On Apr 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> In the charter:
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>>>>> This working group is chartered to document the normative changes to IETF
>>>>> administrative structures and processes necessary to effectuate this change.
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>> This certainly doesn't seem like a necessary change, and BTW it's the IAB that "owns" the RFC Editor arrangements, not the IETF.
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> I thought the plan for this doc and the other IAB stream bis documents was to discuss them here prior to the IAB running its usual call for community comment for IAB stream documents. Perhaps Ted can confirm. We had some substantive discussions about this doc on this list last year. I still think this is a fine venue for this sort of discussion prior to the IAB taking up the document.

I fully agree, and I'm sure the IAB will note the debate here.

   Brian

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> Alissa
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>>> I also suspect that once the LLC has been in operation for a year or two, that there may be a range of things that the community will want to update. 
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>> Very likely. But I can promise a lot of noise if people propose to move away from the lightweight cheap LLC we were promised.
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>>    Brian
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>>> Bob
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>>>> Cheers,
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>>>> spt
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>>>> PS - I am sending this message right before some family-related activities so I might be slow to respond.
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