Re: [Iasa20] Suresh Krishnan's Yes on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-09: (with COMMENT)

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Thu, 11 April 2019 16:39 UTC

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From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:39:39 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Suresh Krishnan's Yes on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-09: (with COMMENT)
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>> > >> "An exception to the two consecutive term rule is for an IETF LLC-appointed Director. “
>> > >>
>> > >> and it is not clear what the exception applies to.
>> > >
>> > > It's one of the possible two extra Director positions that the board
>> > > itself may appoint.  Again, that seems clear to me.
>> >
>> > The plural terms in "after which any subsequent terms” is what throws me off.
>> >
>> > > Do you have
>> > > suggested text that would clarify it?
>> >
>> > I do have an idea but it lengthens the text. I would add the following text at the end of the exception paragraph
>> >
>> > “Please note that the two consecutive term limit still applies in this case."
>>
>> Ahhhh, I see what your confusion is.  And now I agree with you: it
>> should be clarified.
>
>  Will make this change for -10:
> https://github.com/IASA2/draft-ietf-iasa2-struct/issues/103

I'm not happy with the clarification either, because I don't think it
clarifies.  It would now appear to say that it's an exception, but no,
it's not: still two terms.  I think that's because we have two things
here: a limit on number of terms and a limitation on the appointment
mechanism.

Let me suggest this:

OLD
   An exception to the two consecutive term rule is for an IETF LLC-
   appointed Director.  For such a Director, they may serve only one
   term via this appointment method, after which any subsequent terms
   would be occur via other appointment or selection processes (such as
   via the NomCom process).

NEW
   The term limits specified above apply to an individual, even if that
   individual is appointed in different ways over time.  For example, an
   individual appointed to two terms by the ISOC Board of Trustees
   may not immediately be appointed to a third term by the IETF
   NomCom.  A Director appointed by the IETF LLC itself may only
   serve for one term by that appointment method, and any subsequent
   terms would have to be via other methods; in any case, the term
   limits above apply to that individual.

END

I think that gets the exact sense of it.  What do you think?

Barry