Re: [Iasa20] Changes to draft-ietf-iasa2-trust-update wrt relationship to 4071/4371

Nit: HTTPS URIs have a trailing slash rather than a period.  The current form does have the advantage of working with the included period, but perhaps the right way to address that is with <eref target="https://trustee.ietf.org/">rg/">.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 09:49, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
> Yes, having just looked at them both, I prefer b too.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 15:34 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
> 
> > I tend to prefer Choice B.  I think that the context provided by the two
> > additional paragraphs is useful.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Livingood, Jason <
> > Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jari! Absent substantial WG feedback, I recommend you choose one
> > or the other by the end of this weekend based on your judgement.
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > On 1/10/19, 3:35 AM, "iasa20 on behalf of Jari Arkko" <
> > iasa20-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >    This draft was approved last year, and is in the RFC Editor’s queue.
> > There’s been a few suggestions about the draft, however, from Brian
> > Carpenter and others. See for instance the thread on RFC 4071bis.
> > >
> > >    One of the questions relates to whether the draft should now update
> > RFC 4071 given that it is separately being replaced by the 4071bis work.
> > Secondly, there were differing opinions with regards to whether
> > draft-ietf-iasa2-trust-update should entirely replace RFC 4371 or just
> > update it (as the current version does).
> > >
> > >    I do not personally have a very strong opinion either way on these
> > issues. Originally, when we wrote the update draft its goal was to just
> > change the trustee selection process, nothing else, hence we did not
> > replace RFC 4371 even if it didn’t have much content. And even if the draft
> > updated RFC 4071 I think it is fine for other parts of the overall system
> > change later, including replacing entire 4071, as long as in the end the
> > new work refers to our draft. However, I can also see that less documents
> > and less complex RFC-to-RFC relationships might be good. And I definitely
> > agree with Brian that we need to get the BCP structure and BCP numbers
> > correct.
> > >
> > >    With that as a background, I have prepared two alternate versions,
> > sending them for your comments here:
> > >
> > >    * Version “a” (maybe “a" for Alissa as she initially suggested this
> > path forward as one of the options). The is a minimal change to updates,
> > references. This is the least change option.
> > >
> > >      See
> > https://arkko.com/ietf/iasa20/draft-ietf-iasa2-trust-update-diff-a.html
> > >
> > >    * Version “b” (for the Brian Carpenter Extended Edition). This is a
> > more complete draft. This is a slightly bigger change, but results in more
> > self-contained end-result. It still does not change anything about the
> > trust, but copies a paragraph of text from RFC 4371 to the draft.
> > >
> > >      See
> > https://arkko.com/ietf/iasa20/draft-ietf-iasa2-trust-update-diff-b.html
> > >
> > >    Some of this might or might not be doable as RFC Editor instructions
> > rather than re-approval of the changes in the IETF list and at the IESG.
> > Putting that question aside for the moment, lets first figure out what we
> > want first. What would folks prefer?
> > >
> > >    Jari
> > >
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