Re: [Iasa20] Suresh Krishnan's Yes on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-09: (with COMMENT)

[Joseph Lorenzo Hall <[e-mail]>]

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:39 PM Barry Leiba <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> >> > >> "An exception to the two consecutive term rule is for an IETF
> LLC-appointed Director. “
> >> > >>
> >> > >> and it is not clear what the exception applies to.
> >> > >
> >> > > It's one of the possible two extra Director positions that the board
> >> > > itself may appoint.  Again, that seems clear to me.
> >> >
> >> > The plural terms in "after which any subsequent terms” is what throws
> me off.
> >> >
> >> > > Do you have
> >> > > suggested text that would clarify it?
> >> >
> >> > I do have an idea but it lengthens the text. I would add the
> following text at the end of the exception paragraph
> >> >
> >> > “Please note that the two consecutive term limit still applies in
> this case."
> >>
> >> Ahhhh, I see what your confusion is.  And now I agree with you: it
> >> should be clarified.
> >
> >  Will make this change for -10:
> > https://github.com/IASA2/draft-ietf-iasa2-struct/issues/103
>
> I'm not happy with the clarification either, because I don't think it
> clarifies.  It would now appear to say that it's an exception, but no,
> it's not: still two terms.  I think that's because we have two things
> here: a limit on number of terms and a limitation on the appointment
> mechanism.
>
> Let me suggest this:
>
> OLD
>    An exception to the two consecutive term rule is for an IETF LLC-
>    appointed Director.  For such a Director, they may serve only one
>    term via this appointment method, after which any subsequent terms
>    would be occur via other appointment or selection processes (such as
>    via the NomCom process).
>
> NEW
>    The term limits specified above apply to an individual, even if that
>    individual is appointed in different ways over time.  For example, an
>    individual appointed to two terms by the ISOC Board of Trustees
>    may not immediately be appointed to a third term by the IETF
>    NomCom.  A Director appointed by the IETF LLC itself may only
>    serve for one term by that appointment method, and any subsequent
>    terms would have to be via other methods; in any case, the term
>    limits above apply to that individual.
>
> END
>
> I think that gets the exact sense of it.  What do you think?
>

That is crystal clear to me. I'll hold off on this change [1] in case there
is further discussion.

[1]: https://github.com/IASA2/draft-ietf-iasa2-struct/issues/103