Re: [Iasa20] I-D Action: draft-hall-iasa20-workshops-report-00.txt

[Dave Crocker <[e-mail]>]

On 3/20/2017 6:29 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>    o  The line between the IETF and ISOC is not organizationally clear-
>>       cut,
> Better get used to it. Since the IETF is intentionally not incorporated
> and intentionally run by a rough consensus process, that line will never
> be clear-cut.


The premise that the IETF's lack of incorporation somehow dictates 
ambiguous lines of authority and/or management makes no sense.  The 
latter are dictated by clarity of organization structure and crispness 
of task and personnel management, not legal status.

Incorporated organizations hire unincorporated individuals all the time. 
  Unincorporated individuals hire Incorporated organizations. 
Individuals hire individuals.

Each of these can be done with good or poor definition and operation of 
lines of responsibility and lines of authority.

There is no reason the IETF/ISOC relationship necessarily has the 
ambiguities we've operated with.

Rather, it is lack of resolve to make things clear and operate 
accordingly.  We are quite lucky that everyone involved is committed to 
making things work, but perhaps contrarily that luck serves to obfuscate 
the problems here.  (It does not help that the IETF's operation came out 
of the 'daddy pays' funding and operations model, since that created the 
foundation for this continuing administrative confusion.)

d/


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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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